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Re: Religion?

Post by Burlyman » Sun Feb 11, 2018 6:22 pm

callmeslick wrote:
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Evolution is impossible, not just highly unlikely.

how can I put this as gently as possible? You are a ★■◆● idiot. Evolution is not only NOT impossible, nor unlikely, it is demonstrable under lab conditions for rapidly reproducing species. Please, try to keep from giving religion a bad name. That assertion was flat out moronic. Yes, we humans evolved from certain great apes, who in turn were part of a provable genetic pathway that links back to a host of evolutionary predecessors. The proof is available for much of that pathway, for those with open minds, who do the work to read the scientific texts.
Spoken like a true monkey. :) O.K. slick, I'll just put you on the blacklist with roid and all the other descent retards who can't have a civil discussion. So you think a fish can walk on land and turn into a monkey? And you think I'm the idiot? It's "animals" like you that give the cult of monkeyism a bad name (apart from its ridiculous tenets). Have fun on your rotating ball while it hurtles through space.
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Re: Religion?

Post by callmeslick » Sun Feb 11, 2018 6:33 pm

you fool. You try to present it like these things happen spontaneously. Yes, I am pretty easily convinced, that, over the course of tens of thousands of years, aquatic creatures evolved to function on land. And, after a few tens of thousands more, have evolved further into a host of other forms. Because, I can see how evolution occurs, by observing rapidly reproducing life forms react to environmental pressure. To be on the blacklist of one so small-minded as to not at least consider the liklihood of such evolutionary developments is close to an honor, except for the fact that the world has far too many such idiots.
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Re: Religion?

Post by Burlyman » Sun Feb 11, 2018 6:37 pm

Whatever, monkey boy. :)
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Re: Religion?

Post by Top Gun » Sun Feb 11, 2018 7:54 pm

Never breed. Better yet, stop wasting the oxygen of those of us with functioning brain cells.
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Re: Religion?

Post by callmeslick » Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:33 pm

Burlyman wrote:
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Whatever, [Deleted].
perhaps this sort of witty retort is what got prior 'discussions of different religions' locked??
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Re: Religion?

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Re: Religion?

Post by callmeslick » Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:22 pm

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Re: Religion?

Post by Tunnelcat » Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:00 pm

callmeslick wrote:
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Whatever, [Deleted].
perhaps this sort of witty retort is what got prior 'discussions of different religions' locked??
Well, it's headed there. I'm hoping for some more intelligent discussions first.
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Re: Religion?

Post by callmeslick » Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:24 pm

I'm waiting for the 'different religions' discussion altogether. We had more of that in the guessing phase. Once Bultyman weighed in, it was around some idiocy about modern knowledge supplanting religion somehow, another topic altogether.
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Re: Religion?

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Re: Religion?

Post by TigerRaptorFX » Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:01 pm

This topic is so old, it's like a beating the spot where the dead horse use to be. But now there's a hole in the ground.
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Re: Religion?

Post by Jeff250 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:02 pm

callmeslick wrote:
Fri Feb 09, 2018 6:13 pm
there is a huge body of work that goes far in explaining how large series' of electrical impulses and chemical reactions shape the neurological phenomenon we call 'experience'(with recall of experience being 'memory')
Yeah, but problems like understanding how memories of events are stored in the brain are, although difficult problems, the comparatively "easy" problems of consciousness. A hard problem of consciousness is in explaining how when people recall events they experience them. For instance, they might "see" the event reoccurring in their third eye. Another hard problem for that matter is how people even "see" through their first or second eyes for that matter--that viewscreen that we experience in front of us "displaying" what our eyes process that presumably other lenses in the world don't experience when they process visual data. Knowing how memories are stored in the brain goes as much to explaining why we experience consciousness as knowing how eyes or cameras work.
callmeslick wrote:does NOT render the whole set of phenomena as 'unlikely' or 'unexplainable'.
I wouldn't normally argue that consciousness is "unlikely," but reading other people's posts on the DBB is about the strongest evidence for philosophical zombies that I've ever encountered. ;)
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Re: Religion?

Post by callmeslick » Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:10 am

given the level of complexity of the mammalian brain, that some things are FAR from 'understood' is pretty predictable. Give it time.
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Re: Religion?

Post by Tunnelcat » Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:12 pm

I can't elaborate right now, but I just had an experience that has me seriously considering the possibility that there IS an actual God and he just proved it to me in a profound way.
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Re: Religion?

Post by Burlyman » Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:41 pm

Told ya. :P
callmeslick wrote:
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Whatever, [Deleted].
perhaps this sort of witty retort is what got prior 'discussions of different religions' locked??
Coming from the guy who warranted it in the first place. No, nobody was arguing in my old thread, they just didn't want me to talk about religion.
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Re: Religion?

Post by callmeslick » Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:58 pm

Jeff250 wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:02 pm

I wouldn't normally argue that consciousness is "unlikely," but reading other people's posts on the DBB is about the strongest evidence for philosophical zombies that I've ever encountered. ;)
OK, you win that point! :lol:
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Re: Religion?

Post by callmeslick » Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:05 pm

Burlyman wrote:
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No, nobody was arguing in my old thread, they just didn't want me to talk about religion.
and, you still really never did talk about different religions, did you? You confused Science(the diametric opposite) with Religion, but past that, when were you planning to actually discuss religion? Calling folks who accept plausible scientific evidence 'monkey boys' or the like isn't helpful, now is it?? You see, Science is about continual questioning and testing, even 'accepted' ideas, whereas Religion requires belief in that which can't be observed measurably, by definition. I know many Scientists with deep and well-reasoned faith in God(various God definitions). I just know none who would accept certain tenets that one narrow branch of one version of Abrahamic faith demands one believe to be true. And, there, I have an issue. If a relgion, no matter how long or faithfully I practiced, demanded I accept the proveably untrue as true, I would have to rethink my belief system......but YMMV.
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Re: Religion?

Post by Burlyman » Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:07 pm

I was planning on doing that in a different thread. I like the discussion in this thread, too. You describe what science is supposed to be, not how it actually is these days. Much of science is actually scientism. I called you a monkey because you called me an idiot, not because of your thoughts about scientific evidence.
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Re: Religion?

Post by Jeff250 » Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:10 am

callmeslick wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:10 am
given the level of complexity of the mammalian brain, that some things are FAR from 'understood' is pretty predictable. Give it time.
You may of course be right--I would never go as far as to say that it's impossible. But it's one thing to say that one day we will fully understand how the brain makes people look, act, and behave like they are conscious. But you have to acknowledge that it's another thing to say that one day we will understand how the brain actually makes people experience consciousness. I would feel more confident about us some day understanding the latter if there had been any real progress toward it that wasn't really just progress toward the former.
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Re: Religion?

Post by Jeff250 » Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:11 am

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I can't elaborate right now, but I just had an experience that has me seriously considering the possibility that there IS an actual God and he just proved it to me in a profound way.
I'd be interested in hearing about it if and when you are comfortable sharing it.
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Re: Religion?

Post by Tunnelcat » Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:04 pm

Not at the moment. All I can say is that sometimes things happen in life that seem random on the surface, but once you mull over and examine those things in your mind, you come to the conclusion that they definitely couldn't have been random and that some outside force intervened.
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