Sound of Freedom

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 8:27 am

It's a film about child trafficking. Aren't the Dems saying all the time "think of the children then why are they trying to say the film is QAnon propaganda?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertai ... 405543007/
Curious how there is 10 million more people were in modern slavery in 2021 compared to 2016. Open borders the problem (not just US but world wide)? Poverty? Too many babies? What do you think.

vision · Post by **vision** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 9:12 am

woodchip wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 8:27 amWhat do you think.

You first.

Vander · Post by **Vander** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 2:08 pm

What do I think about what? Child trafficking? I think it's bad. About this movie? I haven't seen it, but everything I've heard about it makes me think it's mediocre and that 20 years ago it would've gone straight to video. About QAnon and whatever connection the movie might have to Q themes? I know the star is Q-pilled, and that a large part of Q lore is about an all powerful child trafficking cabal, and Q followers will read absolutely anything into everything.

But yeah, I don't really care to watch it. It just doesn't interest me.

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 2:49 pm

I heard this one from my sister and yes, I'm talking to her. She and YOU, woody, are reading the exact same right wing sources because she just talked about that movie that SHE'S going to go see, and probably believe every word she sees and hears. Don't you EVER read anything outside your comfort zone or political views and actually think for yourself and say "Hey, maybe some of this stuff is an exaggeration"? Never mind that you automatically believe everything is true that comes from your chosen fire hose of right wing crap and never even think or bother to fact check it before spouting it here.

Darth Wang · Post by **Darth Wang** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 4:16 pm

If right-wingers actually cared about protecting children, they wouldn't vote for ★■◆● like this:

https://www.newsweek.com/these-michigan ... an-1808308

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 5:18 pm

Woody, police you're own party's perversions and inaction before you gripe about what the left does or doesn't do. You know, like they outlawed abortion, but in most states, still haven't put in place any institutional financial security for single unwed mothers who got pregnant, all the while the father leaves town for parts unknown because HE doesn't want to take personal responsibility for a child that's half his. ★■◆●ing hypocrites. And remember, most pedophiles are STRAIGHT MALES if you want to start doubling down on the Culture Wars! Oh and Vander, my sister is going to that stupid movie today. I'm sure I'm going to get an earful of propaganda BS tomorrow. That right wing propaganda really works up her dander.

https://www.vox.com/culture/23794355/so ... tory-qanon

https://slate.com/culture/2023/07/sound ... qanon.html

Vander · Post by **Vander** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 6:22 pm

Tunnelcat wrote:Oh and Vander, my sister is going to that stupid movie today. I'm sure I'm going to get an earful of propaganda BS tomorrow.

I think what is funniest to me is the notion that it's an important movie to see, you have to see it to do your part to fight child trafficking. Or if you don't see it, you support trafficking children.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:10 am

Darth Wang wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 4:16 pm If right-wingers actually cared about protecting children, they wouldn't vote for ★■◆● like this:

https://www.newsweek.com/these-michigan ... an-1808308

From your article: "So a 17-year-old is mature enough to cut off their penis or breasts and change their biology but are unqualified to make a commitment of marriage?". Also from your article: . "At the moment, 16- or 17-year-olds can get married in the state with written consent of a parent or guardian. Probate judges can also give children 16 or younger permission to marry under current law." So parental permission or judicial approval is needed. Is that true for transgender surgeries?

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:45 am

Vander wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 6:22 pm
Tunnelcat wrote:Oh and Vander, my sister is going to that stupid movie today. I'm sure I'm going to get an earful of propaganda BS tomorrow.
I think what is funniest to me is the notion that it's an important movie to see, you have to see it to do your part to fight child trafficking. Or if you don't see it, you support trafficking children.

I don't think there's a notion you have to see it to do your part, rather see it to be aware that child trafficking is occurring on a much larger scale than most people realize. And whether or not you see it doesn't mean you are or are not doing your part...that idea is foisted on us by ideologies.

And TC your statement alone shows you have already knuckled under to left wing fear mongering. Congrats.

Krom · Post by **Krom** » Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:48 am

"child trafficking pizzagate blah blah yadda yadda yargh"

"So you want to do something about it?"

"No! ThAtS sOcIaLiSm!"

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Sat Jul 15, 2023 8:38 am

Have you seen the movie woody? Or are you just listening to right wing fearmongering, rising to the occasion waving your war flag and bitching here about how this problem is so pervasive, a war needs to be started and a border wall needs to be completed post haste to stop it? You gonna grab a rifle and head over to the local pizza joint to stop that Hillary child sex trafficing ring? Then for some reason, you conflate child sex trafficking with trans surgery. What a weird mind. Meanwhile, child marriage is legal in 80% of U.S. states and most of it's between older men and young girls. Perverts.

https://stopchildmarriages.org/child-marriage-facts/

https://ctmirror.org/2023/07/15/child-m ... 18-states/

Darth Wang · Post by **Darth Wang** » Sat Jul 15, 2023 9:51 am

woodchip wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:10 am
Darth Wang wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 4:16 pm If right-wingers actually cared about protecting children, they wouldn't vote for ★■◆● like this:

From your article: "So a 17-year-old is mature enough to cut off their penis or breasts and change their biology but are unqualified to make a commitment of marriage?". Also from your article: . "At the moment, 16- or 17-year-olds can get married in the state with written consent of a parent or guardian. Probate judges can also give children 16 or younger permission to marry under current law." So parental permission or judicial approval is needed. Is that true for transgender surgeries?

WTF does that have to do with anything? Massive red herring. It mentions kids as young as 14 being married off, do you support that?

Top Gun · Post by **Top Gun** » Sat Jul 15, 2023 11:07 am

Woody sure is fascinated by the status of minors' genitals.

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Sat Jul 15, 2023 12:53 pm

I'll say. Pervert. But I have a question. Since right wingers are SOOO concerned about kids, why not worry about climate change? To my sister, that movie showed her that this sex trafficing problem is the worst thing to happen to kids in a long time. But, she hadn't heard about the marriage to kids problem we have in this country. Typical.

But back to the climate. What about our changing for the worse climate? She doesn't believe in that, despite the fact that we know what the climate was like as far back as 125,000 years ago and the planet is now the hottest it's ever been all during human habitation. No worries that her grandkids will live in an oven under threat of violent weather extremes from now on. She also doesn't believe in population control and that there's plenty of space in the western deserts for a burgeoning population, never mind that water will be non-existant for those residents living there because of climate change.

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:36 pm

More on the Q-Anon connection to this movie. You can't make this crap up. Adrenochrome extracted from tortured children to extend life. According to Q-Anon, it's not even about sex trafficking, but instead involves harvesting a chemical from children for profit.

https://screenrant.com/sound-of-freedom ... explained/

Then the founder of OUR seems to have an issue with telling the truth too. What's funny is my sister refuses to believe any of this.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/k7a3qw/ ... -the-truth

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Sun Jul 16, 2023 11:13 am

Yer slippin' woody. I'm surprised you didn't post this in this thread. Dirty Old Man Biden nibbling/mouthing a child in Ireland. The child looks horrified too. Talk about child abuse. Just effing gross. And yes, this bothers me when my own stepfather is a dirty old man who abused my own sister when she was a child. Thank God being a Tomboy back then made me unpalatable to his twisted desires. Jackass. (Really need a vomit icon here)

https://news.yahoo.com/biden-nibbles-fr ... 57742.html

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Tue Jul 18, 2023 7:04 pm

Ok woody. You seem so concerned about the welfare of kids, how is this any better? Children and pregnant women shoved back into the river to drown, which most likely was ordered by Mr. Deny It, Republican Gov. Abbott, for his border officers and troopers to follow no matter how repugnant. It appears a couple of those troopers had a conscience and tried to refuse that order. This isn't too far removed from your machine gun nest suggestion, so I don't suppose it bothers you. If that's the case, you can take your fake outrage at supposed child sex trafficking and shove it where the sun don't shine.

https://www.texastribune.org/2023/07/18 ... de-border/

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Wed Jul 19, 2023 9:56 am

Did they force them back into the river using horse whips?

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Wed Jul 19, 2023 1:04 pm

Does it matter? You tell me? Kids and women drowned. A couple women miscarried in the river. Many men, women and kids were cut up by razor wire because they tried to cross away from the patrolled open areas where they were shoving people back into the river. They were being denied water to drink. And here woody is bitching about child sex trafficking as Texas was performing torture or murder on those same poor kids. I don't like illegal immigration either, but isn't this country supposed to represent humane behavior to the rest of the world? Looking at the concertina wire walls along the river, our border is starting to look just like the German/Soviet border wall of yesteryear. They wanted to keep people in, we want to keep people out.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politic ... ails-show/

Spidey · Post by **Spidey** » Wed Jul 19, 2023 2:44 pm

I must remember subtlety is lost on this forum.

My point was...there was this report that people were being whipped at the border, that turned out to be false.

So basically the question is...has this been verified by credible sources?

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Wed Jul 19, 2023 3:40 pm

That remains to be seen. The powers that be are denying everything up the wazoo. Like most of these accusations, it's a he said, he said. Time will tell. Similar to this money making movie about child sex trafficking? How much is the truth and how much is sensationalism to bring in sales, when some of the "facts" have been embellished in the story or even a whiff of Q-Anon taints the main actor and investigator?

TigerRaptor · Post by **TigerRaptor** » Wed Jul 19, 2023 6:21 pm

Woody is like the Descent 2 thief bot. No matter how many times you shoot him, he keeps coming back. And like the thief bot, he'll eventually find himself in the corner squirming to get out. But it's too late, he just got KO'd.

Darth Wang · Post by **Darth Wang** » Thu Jul 20, 2023 4:08 am

TigerRaptor wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 6:21 pm Woody is like the Descent 2 thief bot. No matter how many times you shoot him, he keeps coming back. And like the thief bot, he'll eventually find himself in the corner squirming to get out. But it's too late, he just got KO'd.

What if he keeps respawning, like on that one secret level?

Top Gun · Post by **Top Gun** » Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:25 pm

Bonus points if you tag him with flares!

TigerRaptor · Post by **TigerRaptor** » Thu Jul 20, 2023 3:10 pm

Darth Wang wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 4:08 am
TigerRaptor wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 6:21 pm Woody is like the Descent 2 thief bot. No matter how many times you shoot him, he keeps coming back. And like the thief bot, he'll eventually find himself in the corner squirming to get out. But it's too late, he just got KO'd.
What if he keeps respawning, like on that one secret level?

Eventually the level (thread) will come to an end with him still getting KO'd. Prepare for The Whoopass Cannery. He's going down.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Sat Jul 22, 2023 8:31 am

Darth Wang wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 9:51 am
woodchip wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:10 am
Darth Wang wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 4:16 pm If right-wingers actually cared about protecting children, they wouldn't vote for ★■◆● like this:

From your article: "So a 17-year-old is mature enough to cut off their penis or breasts and change their biology but are unqualified to make a commitment of marriage?". Also from your article: . "At the moment, 16- or 17-year-olds can get married in the state with written consent of a parent or guardian. Probate judges can also give children 16 or younger permission to marry under current law." So parental permission or judicial approval is needed. Is that true for transgender surgeries?
WTF does that have to do with anything? Massive red herring. It mentions kids as young as 14 being married off, do you support that?

If you don't understand then blame whoever raised you. And no, I don't believe any girl should me treated as chattel and forcibly married off. Nor do I think honor killing of a girl is OK...do you?

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Sat Jul 22, 2023 8:33 am

TigerRaptor wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 3:10 pm
Darth Wang wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 4:08 am
TigerRaptor wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 6:21 pm Woody is like the Descent 2 thief bot. No matter how many times you shoot him, he keeps coming back. And like the thief bot, he'll eventually find himself in the corner squirming to get out. But it's too late, he just got KO'd.
What if he keeps respawning, like on that one secret level?
Eventually the level (thread) will come to an end with him still getting KO'd. Prepare for The Whoopass Cannery. He's going down.

You know you made it when people are afraid of you, especially the ignorant ones.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Sat Jul 22, 2023 8:45 am

Tunnelcat wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 3:40 pm That remains to be seen. The powers that be are denying everything up the wazoo. Like most of these accusations, it's a he said, he said. Time will tell. Similar to this money making movie about child sex trafficking? How much is the truth and how much is sensationalism to bring in sales, when some of the "facts" have been embellished in the story or even a whiff of Q-Anon taints the main actor and investigator?

So you're OK with trafficking as long as it has a "whiff" of QAnon ?

It has been estimated that two-thirds of trafficking victims in the United States are US citizens. Most victims who are foreign-born come into the US legally, on various visas.[4] State Department estimated that between 15,000 and 50,000 women and girls are trafficked each year into the United States.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_traff ... ted_States

TigerRaptor · Post by **TigerRaptor** » Sat Jul 22, 2023 9:44 am

woodchip wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 8:33 amYou know you made it when people are afraid of you, especially the ignorant ones.

Crapped in your Depends again, didn't you. It wasn't my intention to scare you.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Sat Jul 22, 2023 11:03 am

TigerRaptor wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 9:44 am
woodchip wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 8:33 amYou know you made it when people are afraid of you, especially the ignorant ones.
Crapped in your Depends again, didn't you. It wasn't my intention to scare you.

No, did you? Feel Macho by puffing yourself up by belittling me?

TigerRaptor · Post by **TigerRaptor** » Sat Jul 22, 2023 11:31 am

woodchip wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 11:03 am
TigerRaptor wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 9:44 am
woodchip wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 8:33 amYou know you made it when people are afraid of you, especially the ignorant ones.
Crapped in your Depends again, didn't you. It wasn't my intention to scare you.
No, did you? Feel Macho by puffing yourself up by belittling me?

Oh Yeah! I’m going to snap you like a Slim Jim. Yeah!

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Sat Jul 22, 2023 11:38 am

TigerRaptor wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 11:31 am
woodchip wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 11:03 am
TigerRaptor wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 9:44 am
woodchip wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 8:33 amYou know you made it when people are afraid of you, especially the ignorant ones.
Crapped in your Depends again, didn't you. It wasn't my intention to scare you.
No, did you? Feel Macho by puffing yourself up by belittling me?
Oh Yeah! I’m going to snap you like a Slim Jim. Yeah!

Lotsa luck

TigerRaptor · Post by **TigerRaptor** » Sat Jul 22, 2023 12:58 pm

Heh. Just like the thief bot, he keeps coming back.

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Sat Jul 22, 2023 2:27 pm

woodchip wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 8:45 am
Tunnelcat wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 3:40 pm That remains to be seen. The powers that be are denying everything up the wazoo. Like most of these accusations, it's a he said, he said. Time will tell. Similar to this money making movie about child sex trafficking? How much is the truth and how much is sensationalism to bring in sales, when some of the "facts" have been embellished in the story or even a whiff of Q-Anon taints the main actor and investigator?
So you're OK with trafficking as long as it has a "whiff" of QAnon ?

It has been estimated that two-thirds of trafficking victims in the United States are US citizens. Most victims who are foreign-born come into the US legally, on various visas.[4] State Department estimated that between 15,000 and 50,000 women and girls are trafficked each year into the United States.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_traff ... ted_States

Don't put words in my mouth. Of course I care about any of this stuff going on. But it's only one part of a major issue involving ALL kids in this country AND around the world. POVERTY is the biggest reason child sex trafficking even exists in this world, not just illegal immigration HERE. The ONLY reason THIS topic is on your radar is because the right wing is using it to drum up more support for closing the border up tighter than your ass. You don't give a ★■◆● about children. YOU DO give a rat's ass about legal AND illegal immigration and you and your party have found their weapon with this propaganda movie. You're so disingenuous, it stinks. If you and your party did REALLY care about all children, there would be all sorts of legislation, from Republicans I might add, to create more social programs to protect all these kids now being born TO AMERICAN MOTHERS since Roe was struck down. How many are dumped in dumpsters garbage or left on the streets because poor single mothers can't afford to raise them? A LOT of those orphaned or poor kids can and do end up as victims of sex trafficking, as well as runaways, kids stuck in the child foster system and delinquents, because they're desperate and vulnerable to survive. These are AMERICAN kids being affected by this too, not just illegal immigrants. And did you even read all the crap done to women in the name of sexual control in that wiki page you linked to? No concern about women either?

Anti-trafficking experts are panning this movie in spades. Sure this is a left wing site, but they do make quite a few valid points.

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/cu ... 234786352/

Oh, and a disproportionate number of kids being sex trafficked are AMERICAN LGBTQ kids who've been thrown out of their homes or have been disowned by their heartless parents for being non-conforming trash. This study was done back in 2013. Today, with your party's Culture War going on marginalizing even more LGBTQ kids, it's probably a LOT higher. Of course, you don't care about kids who aren't "normal" in your book.

https://www.acf.hhs.gov/archive/blog/20 ... ng-victims

Each year, thousands of young people across the country become homeless, and LGBTQ youth account for a disproportionate share of the runaway and homeless youth population. Although LGBTQ individuals only account for three to five percent of the population, they account for up to 40 percent of the runaway and homeless youth population. It is estimated that 26 percent of LGBTQ adolescents are rejected by their families and put out of their homes for no other reason than being open about who they are. Once on the streets, they face a significant chance of becoming victims of human trafficking. More people are enslaved today than at any point in human history, and LGBTQ youth are being trapped in sexual slavery at alarming levels. Once trafficked, these children face beatings, mutilations, brandings, rapes, and a host of other crimes that no child should ever live through.

Darth Wang · Post by **Darth Wang** » Sat Jul 22, 2023 4:19 pm

woodchip wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 8:31 am
Darth Wang wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 9:51 am
woodchip wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:10 am
Darth Wang wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 4:16 pm If right-wingers actually cared about protecting children, they wouldn't vote for ★■◆● like this:

From your article: "So a 17-year-old is mature enough to cut off their penis or breasts and change their biology but are unqualified to make a commitment of marriage?". Also from your article: . "At the moment, 16- or 17-year-olds can get married in the state with written consent of a parent or guardian. Probate judges can also give children 16 or younger permission to marry under current law." So parental permission or judicial approval is needed. Is that true for transgender surgeries?
WTF does that have to do with anything? Massive red herring. It mentions kids as young as 14 being married off, do you support that?
If you don't understand then blame whoever raised you. And no, I don't believe any girl should me treated as chattel and forcibly married off. Nor do I think honor killing of a girl is OK...do you?

So did you notice which party was voting in favor of child marriage?

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Sun Jul 23, 2023 6:21 am

Darth Wang wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 4:19 pm

From your article: "So a 17-year-old is mature enough to cut off their penis or breasts and change their biology but are unqualified to make a commitment of marriage?". Also from your article: . "At the moment, 16- or 17-year-olds can get married in the state with written consent of a parent or guardian. Probate judges can also give children 16 or younger permission to marry under current law." So parental permission or judicial approval is needed. Is that true for transgender surgeries?

WTF does that have to do with anything? Massive red herring. It mentions kids as young as 14 being married off, do you support that?
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If you don't understand then blame whoever raised you. And no, I don't believe any girl should me treated as chattel and forcibly married off. Nor do I think honor killing of a girl is OK...do you?
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So did you notice which party was voting in favor of child marriage?
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So you deflect instead of answering the question.

Darth Wang · Post by **Darth Wang** » Sun Jul 23, 2023 12:09 pm

First of all, fix your quote tags. Secondly, you're the one deflecting and refusing to answer my original point by bringing up red herrings.

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Mon Jul 24, 2023 11:27 am

In this day and age, underage or child marriage is considered child abuse. Does that bother you?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_mar ... ted_States

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Mon Jul 24, 2023 11:45 am

Tunnelcat wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 11:27 am In this day and age, underage or child marriage is considered child abuse. Does that bother you?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_mar ... ted_States

And some consider abortion murder. Does that bother you?

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 9:53 am

That's the mother's decision. I personally wouldn't have an abortion, but the state doesn't need to regulate my body or any of it's functions. It's personal between the mother and any God they believe in whether or not to have an abortion, not the state.

Guns kill and yet, you abhor any sort of regulation to slow that down. You have no qualms that one is used to kill people in large numbers, including children, yet you want every rule on the book to control how I care for my body or anything within it. You can't love life and unregulated firearms at the same time. They are mutually exclusive.