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Darth Wang wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2023 8:58 am Saying that criticizing the Israeli government makes you antisemitic is like saying that criticizing Barack Obama's policies makes you racist.

woodchip wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2023 9:28 am

Darth Wang wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2023 8:58 am Saying that criticizing the Israeli government makes you antisemitic is like saying that criticizing Barack Obama's policies makes you racist.

Tell that to all the jews in this country that recieve death threats and don't feel safe on college campus's. Stop being a apologist for the genocidal Palestinians.

woodchip wrote:Stop being a apologist for the genocidal Palestinians.

woodchip wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2023 9:13 am...Read the link about what the Palestinians did to Jordan...

Darth Wang wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2023 11:07 am

woodchip wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2023 9:28 am

Darth Wang wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2023 8:58 am Saying that criticizing the Israeli government makes you antisemitic is like saying that criticizing Barack Obama's policies makes you racist.

Tell that to all the jews in this country that recieve death threats and don't feel safe on college campus's. Stop being a apologist for the genocidal Palestinians.

And what about the genocidal Israelis? Of course the major difference is that one side has a massive and powerful military and weapons of mass destruction. Kind of makes genocide a lot easier.

vision wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2023 1:52 pm

woodchip wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2023 9:13 am...Read the link about what the Palestinians did to Jordan...

I get the feeling you didn't read that article or didn't read it carefully enough to understand what was going on. It doesn't support your argument that Palestinians are terrorists.

Vander wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2023 1:51 pm

woodchip wrote:Stop being a apologist for the genocidal Palestinians.

You, in this very thread, lamented that "it looks The Jews are not going to cleanse." I only see one apologist for genocide here.

woodchip wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2023 2:59 pm

Darth Wang wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2023 11:07 am

woodchip wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2023 9:28 am

Darth Wang wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2023 8:58 am Saying that criticizing the Israeli government makes you antisemitic is like saying that criticizing Barack Obama's policies makes you racist.

Tell that to all the jews in this country that recieve death threats and don't feel safe on college campus's. Stop being a apologist for the genocidal Palestinians.

And what about the genocidal Israelis? Of course the major difference is that one side has a massive and powerful military and weapons of mass destruction. Kind of makes genocide a lot easier.

You're walking in the wilderness along a trail when you come upon a bear that is in your way. So you pick up a stick to get the bear to move. You hit the bear and wonder why he mauls you and all your hiking buddies.

woodchip wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2023 3:16 pmCleanse as in kill every man, woman and child? Or try to kill Hamas who is hiding in or under hospitals, schools and apartment buildings?

Spidey wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2023 7:13 am "What if that bear invaded your home, killed half of your family, and forced you to live in the outhouse in the backyard for 70+ years? Would you not be justified in trying to get rid of it?"

That statement implies that the average Palestinian has agency or complicity in the terror attacks.

All of these things that I’ve been describing are official bureaucratic mechanisms backed by government ministries, the Army, the Israeli courts, all of these entities working jointly to achieve the same goal, pushing out Palestinians, taking over their land. When these official mechanisms fail and Palestinian communities show perseverance to stay on the land, then what you have is that other mechanism, the one that tends to make more headlines. You might catch sight of a violent settler torching a Palestinian’s field or using weapons provided to the settlers by the Army.

But a coercive environment rather than forcible transfer is more beneficial for the Israeli state. All of those boring, bureaucratic, complicated mechanisms that I’ve described, the balance there is that, on the one hand, you need patience because you’re making the lives of people a nightmare for a long duration of time. But the upside is that maybe after five years, maybe after ten years, they will just give up. And, if they give up, then you don’t end up with sensational TV footage that might create alarm internationally.

What we’ve been seeing since October 7th, after all these years of suffering and orchestrated bureaucratic violence, are direct threats and direct actions against these communities. It happens very quickly, but it does create international friction, and that is the balance that Israel has been playing with, trying to accomplish as much displacement of Palestinians as possible while paying the minimal international price.

Top Gun wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2023 9:04 pm I love when woody attempts to clap back at one of us only to fall flat on his face.

Darth Wang wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2023 7:54 am

Spidey wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2023 7:13 am "What if that bear invaded your home, killed half of your family, and forced you to live in the outhouse in the backyard for 70+ years? Would you not be justified in trying to get rid of it?"

That statement implies that the average Palestinian has agency or complicity in the terror attacks.

You're correct. As I pointed out, woodchip's analogy was bad because it made no distinction between the people and their governments. So any attempted extension of the analogy would have the same problem.

Vander wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2023 9:54 am It’s not just about Hamas.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/ ... -west-bank

All of these things that I’ve been describing are official bureaucratic mechanisms backed by government ministries, the Army, the Israeli courts, all of these entities working jointly to achieve the same goal, pushing out Palestinians, taking over their land. When these official mechanisms fail and Palestinian communities show perseverance to stay on the land, then what you have is that other mechanism, the one that tends to make more headlines. You might catch sight of a violent settler torching a Palestinian’s field or using weapons provided to the settlers by the Army.

But a coercive environment rather than forcible transfer is more beneficial for the Israeli state. All of those boring, bureaucratic, complicated mechanisms that I’ve described, the balance there is that, on the one hand, you need patience because you’re making the lives of people a nightmare for a long duration of time. But the upside is that maybe after five years, maybe after ten years, they will just give up. And, if they give up, then you don’t end up with sensational TV footage that might create alarm internationally.

What we’ve been seeing since October 7th, after all these years of suffering and orchestrated bureaucratic violence, are direct threats and direct actions against these communities. It happens very quickly, but it does create international friction, and that is the balance that Israel has been playing with, trying to accomplish as much displacement of Palestinians as possible while paying the minimal international price.

I’m hardly an expert on all this, but this doesn’t seem all that complicated. If it were Jews living as Palestinians now are, I doubt many would have trouble calling it what it is.

Spidey wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2023 7:13 am "What if that bear invaded your home, killed half of your family, and forced you to live in the outhouse in the backyard for 70+ years? Would you not be justified in trying to get rid of it?"

That statement implies that the average Palestinian has agency or complicity in the terror attacks.

woodchip wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2023 8:38 am So you agree when Hamas attacked Israel that too was a attempt at genocide.

Vander wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2023 9:34 am

woodchip wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2023 8:38 am So you agree when Hamas attacked Israel that too was a attempt at genocide.

No, I don't agree that the October 7 attack was an "attempt at genocide." Were the 9/11 attacks an attempt at genocide? Of course not.

Spidey wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2023 10:01 am "From the river to the sea"

It is the end game.

Spidey wrote:"From the river to the sea"

It is the end game.

woodchip wrote:You're wrong Vander, As Hamas was hoping for a multi prong attack on Israel. They wanted Hezbollah to attack from Lebanon and Iran to use missiles to help out. End result would be to annihilate the Jews. If this was not a goal to exterminate the Jews, you're not as smart as I thought you were.

woodchip wrote:So how much hate for the Jews do you have.

woodchip wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2023 8:04 am You can't answer my points and I'm the one that's falling on his face? I guess using this ploy works for your completely ignorant friends.

woodchip wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2023 2:37 pm On a side note 60% of hate crimes in this country are committed against the Jews...who only comprise about 2% of America's population.

Vander wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2023 4:30 pm

Spidey wrote:"From the river to the sea"

It is the end game.

Is this not also an apt description of Israel's intent?

Spidey wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 8:47 amTry to imagine how history might have played out if the Arabs had decided to accommodate the Jews instead of declaring war back in 1948.

woodchip wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2023 3:12 pmMaybe I read the article wrong and the two groups got along and sang camp fire songs while trying to figure out how to make their world into a better state.

vision wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2023 3:13 pm

woodchip wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2023 3:12 pmMaybe I read the article wrong and the two groups got along and sang camp fire songs while trying to figure out how to make their world into a better state.

You absolutely did read the article wrong.

"Though the events of Black September did not reflect a Jordanian–Palestinian divide, as there were Jordanians and Palestinians on both sides of the conflict, it paved the way for such a divide to emerge subsequently"

You are trying to over-simplify a complex relationship between Palestinians and their neighbors and trying to make them all out as terrorists. Just like Hamas gets support from Iran, the Palestinian fedayeen were supported by Libya, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait who were trying to weaken Jordan. And like Gaza which has a small number of militants relative to its population of two million, the Palestinian fedayeen were small, just a few thousand, compared to the over 300,000 refugees living in Jordan. Also, you seem like the kind of dimwit who thinks Muslims band together against Jews. All these Muslim majority countries in the Middle East have their own distinct identities and hate each other. If they work together on anything it's only for temporary convenience.

Tunnelcat wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2023 6:48 pm I wonder what the anti-gun left thinks of this development?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/no ... rcna120602

woodchip wrote:Since your usual leftist reply shows you really think like a anti-Semite and really would prefer genocide of the Jews instead of Hamas being eliminated.

woodchip wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 10:20 amI asked two simple question:
"Correct me if I am wrong but after the Jews kicked the pelestinians out and Jordon allowed them to live there, 1) did the palestinians try to overthrow Hussein and 2) did the palestinians try to take over Jordan and make it a palestinian state. Maybe I read the article wrong and the two groups got along and sang camp fire songs while trying to figure out how to make their world into a better state."

woodchip wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 10:20 amMy 2 questions show why no Arab countries want or will allow the Palestinian's entry.

vision wrote: ↑Mon Nov 06, 2023 6:36 pm Unfortunately, the only realistic path is to hope the world finally turns against this Zionist program of genocide.