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by Bold Deceiver
Sat May 22, 2010 10:30 pm
Forum: Ethics and Commentary
Topic: BP of A?????
Replies: 203
Views: 17254

Sounds like ...

Sounds like everyone's in agreement - the board is opposed to oils spills. Haven't seen this kind of unity in a long while.... It's got me a little choked up over here... ;)

Bold - Not Here to Cause Any Trouble - Deceiver
by Bold Deceiver
Thu Sep 24, 2009 7:41 pm
Forum: Ethics and Commentary
Topic: New voice of the GOP
Replies: 55
Views: 3866

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When Joe Wilson called Obama a liar, in reference to the illegal immigrants, he was both factually wrong and professionally contemptible. This is no way for a member of congress to treat any President of the United States. Either he clearly didn't know the facts or he's still emotional over the wou...
by Bold Deceiver
Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:12 pm
Forum: Ethics and Commentary
Topic: Justice Served
Replies: 8
Views: 1303

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[quote="roid"]Judicial Fraud.quote]

Really?

Ask not for whom the bell tolls....

BD
by Bold Deceiver
Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:46 pm
Forum: Ethics and Commentary
Topic: Rudy G sucks
Replies: 7
Views: 1281

Re: Rudy G sucks

http://www.rudy-urbanlegend.com/ Sad. I had no idea how awful he was... Sad that the people who run on 9-11 typically botched their job. Wow. Me too. For the longest time I'd felt he was just a decent guy dealing with ... well let's just say, trying circumstances. This video has changed me and my p...
by Bold Deceiver
Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:33 pm
Forum: Ethics and Commentary
Topic: Car Chase, Helicopter Crash
Replies: 21
Views: 2278

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My take: I'm not a lawyer, obviously, but I think the laws should be able to distinguish between an active participant in a chase versus an unwitting bystander. If the suspect in a car chase rams into a bystander - be it car, bike, or someone out on a leisurely stroll - I think they should be respo...
by Bold Deceiver
Sun Jul 29, 2007 7:57 pm
Forum: Ethics and Commentary
Topic: Car Chase, Helicopter Crash
Replies: 21
Views: 2278

Felony Murder Rule

I'm not a criminal law guy, but there's something called the \"felony murder rule\" that has existed for some time. Reaching way back here, but my recollection is that if you are acting in the commission of a felony and someone dies as a result, then your intent is irrelevant. You are char...
by Bold Deceiver
Sat Jun 16, 2007 9:13 pm
Forum: Tech Forum
Topic: M$ Sidewinder 3D Pro on USB - 2?
Replies: 337
Views: 152112

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KoolBear wrote:SO it's up to you if you want to pay more for a completed unit ... (about 8 bucks per board more!)
I would need completed units Mike. Can pay in advance if needed.

Thanks for your work,

Joe
by Bold Deceiver
Fri May 25, 2007 7:35 pm
Forum: Tech Forum
Topic: M$ Sidewinder 3D Pro on USB - 2?
Replies: 337
Views: 152112

Re: 1st pass complation

KoolBear wrote:PRELIMINARY/BUDGETARY
Great, thanks KB. Extremely reasonable, albeit preliminary.
by Bold Deceiver
Sun Apr 22, 2007 9:23 am
Forum: Tech Forum
Topic: M$ Sidewinder 3D Pro on USB - 2?
Replies: 337
Views: 152112

Re: M$ Sidewinder 3D Pro on USB - 2?

I've receive several emails and some of those actual orders for Grendels 3D Pro Converter http://descentbb.net/viewtopic.php?t=7090 and http://grendel.koolbear.com/3dpro.htm If there's enough interest I will see if I can get more made, but I won't do the all the work like Grendel did. I will take t...
by Bold Deceiver
Fri Apr 06, 2007 9:21 pm
Forum: Ethics and Commentary
Topic: Capital Punishment
Replies: 223
Views: 18747

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I don't know if you're intentionally pushing my buttons, or just skimming and making assumptions, but I'm tired of it. I'm really upset, is that what you wanted? It's not just you. But one of the great things about the DBB is that its members aren't the type to be compelled by such personal attacks...
by Bold Deceiver
Fri Apr 06, 2007 4:29 pm
Forum: Ethics and Commentary
Topic: Capital Punishment
Replies: 223
Views: 18747

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Foil wrote:
Bold Deceiver wrote:(And by the way, what's the point of all this if there can't be any name-calling, for heck's sake. Where's the fun in that?)
I'll let the moderators address that one. :roll:
Happy Easter!

BD
by Bold Deceiver
Fri Apr 06, 2007 4:28 pm
Forum: Ethics and Commentary
Topic: Capital Punishment
Replies: 223
Views: 18747

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When Bettina pulls the switch on the execution of Couey, would you view her action as occupying the same moral plane as the child-abduction, child-rape, child-smothering, and live burial of Jessica, by Couey? (Sigh) I've already said it at least twice, I'll say one last time, since you apparently s...
by Bold Deceiver
Fri Apr 06, 2007 4:03 pm
Forum: Ethics and Commentary
Topic: Capital Punishment
Replies: 223
Views: 18747

Re:

[EDIT]

On second thought, I think I'll withdraw instead. No harm done by you, Lothar, and no offense taken by me. Happy Easter to the Christians celebrating.

Thanks.

BD
by Bold Deceiver
Fri Apr 06, 2007 3:52 pm
Forum: Ethics and Commentary
Topic: Capital Punishment
Replies: 223
Views: 18747

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Lothar wrote:BD, I think you give people far too little credit in your attempts to prop up your position.

Read two posts up. Then take a deep breath and drop the patronizing attitude. I'll be waiting.
Hmm.... You know how much I enjoy instructions!

BD
by Bold Deceiver
Fri Apr 06, 2007 3:45 pm
Forum: Ethics and Commentary
Topic: Capital Punishment
Replies: 223
Views: 18747

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To tell you the truth, I had the same thought as Dravis, but I didn't want to voice it because I worried about this exact scenario. I couldn't come up with a way to say it that wasn't insulting or otherwise in poor taste, so I held back. But now that the comparison has been made, I want to at least...
by Bold Deceiver
Fri Apr 06, 2007 3:10 pm
Forum: Ethics and Commentary
Topic: Capital Punishment
Replies: 223
Views: 18747

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Mmmm... REVISIONIST ALERT. Whatever Dravis's sins are, they don't consist in saying that Bet's and Couey's actions are of the same moral severity or that they are of the same moral caliber, despite your colorful metaphors suggesting otherwise. You [Bettina] and Couey [convicted child rapist, child ...
by Bold Deceiver
Fri Apr 06, 2007 2:59 pm
Forum: Ethics and Commentary
Topic: Capital Punishment
Replies: 223
Views: 18747

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Bet has repeatedly stated that she assents to emotion over logic and that she judges good actions to be those that she believes to be good. We're getting a little abstract here, but I don't agree that emotion simply trumps logic. I would disagree with that premise. We can imagine Couey justifying h...
by Bold Deceiver
Thu Apr 05, 2007 10:48 pm
Forum: Ethics and Commentary
Topic: Capital Punishment
Replies: 223
Views: 18747

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Mmmm... REVISIONIST ALERT. Whatever Dravis's sins are, they don't consist in saying that Bet's and Couey's actions are of the same moral severity or that they are of the same moral caliber, despite your colorful metaphors suggesting otherwise. Yet the words remain: "You [Bettina] and Couey [con...
by Bold Deceiver
Wed Apr 04, 2007 7:31 pm
Forum: Ethics and Commentary
Topic: Capital Punishment
Replies: 223
Views: 18747

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This is moral relativism on a stunning scale, and it disgusts me. Wikipedia: "Moral relativism is the position that moral or ethical propositions do not reflect absolute and universal moral truths, but instead make claims relative to social, cultural, historical or personal circumstances."...
by Bold Deceiver
Wed Apr 04, 2007 7:28 pm
Forum: Ethics and Commentary
Topic: Capital Punishment
Replies: 223
Views: 18747

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This is moral relativism on a stunning scale, and it disgusts me. Somebody is a moral relativist just for having a different viewpoint than you? Dravis hasn't really said anything inconsistent with moral absolutism, just your version moral absolutism. (And even that he has done that much is unclear...
by Bold Deceiver
Tue Apr 03, 2007 8:47 pm
Forum: Ethics and Commentary
Topic: Capital Punishment
Replies: 223
Views: 18747

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First, this: I'm not a [moral] relativist. Then this: Evil will destroy good unless good destroys evil first. Right and good, wrong and evil. And then, this despicable response: You [Bettina] and Couey [convicted child rapist, child torturer, and child murderer] seem to have a lot in common. You bot...
by Bold Deceiver
Sat Mar 31, 2007 8:09 pm
Forum: Ethics and Commentary
Topic: Capital Punishment
Replies: 223
Views: 18747

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You did not answer my question, Bet. Here it is again: I can surely understand why it feels right to take revenge, and possibly even to kill the person. But how can you deduce from this feeling of yours anything about morality? Your question is unintelligible, as phrased, and unanswerable. I'm inte...
by Bold Deceiver
Sat Mar 31, 2007 3:00 pm
Forum: Ethics and Commentary
Topic: Capital Punishment
Replies: 223
Views: 18747

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Moral absolutism... is simply irrational. Ah, NOW, I think we've struck the heart of the matter: You've made a statement about your belief system. How should I respond? A. "I don't agree, here's what I believe..." or B. "You just made an incendiary and condesceding accusation that I ...
by Bold Deceiver
Sat Mar 31, 2007 12:27 pm
Forum: Ethics and Commentary
Topic: Capital Punishment
Replies: 223
Views: 18747

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My statements weren't written as patronizing or condescending. Again, they're simply statements of my view [that those who support capital punishment are immoral and unethical]. You're right - of course. Why would anyone have a problem with that? So, if I belive rape is always wrong (moral absolute...
by Bold Deceiver
Sat Mar 31, 2007 8:30 am
Forum: Ethics and Commentary
Topic: Capital Punishment
Replies: 223
Views: 18747

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No one is attacking you Foil -- you're troubled because I called you on a couple of rather patronizing, condescending remarks you made, such as: C]apital punishment can't be an ethical option. and ... However, as I sincerely hope you understand, capital punishment is not, and should not be, a form o...
by Bold Deceiver
Fri Mar 30, 2007 7:48 pm
Forum: Ethics and Commentary
Topic: Capital Punishment
Replies: 223
Views: 18747

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Hello Pandora, feeling boxed in today by irritating rhetoric? We are constantly judging the morals of other people, and of course each of us believes that our moral stance might be superior to somebody else's. If you can't take that you should not enter a discussion about morals. We are? We do? I sh...
by Bold Deceiver
Fri Mar 30, 2007 7:31 pm
Forum: Ethics and Commentary
Topic: Capital Punishment
Replies: 223
Views: 18747

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Since this appears to be the case, I'll ask again: "Why is it moral that "the people" impose suffering without cause (aside from their personal desires, giving no rational justification), but an individual doing the same [i.e., the murderer] is condemned? Is it simply because the maj...
by Bold Deceiver
Fri Mar 30, 2007 7:26 pm
Forum: Ethics and Commentary
Topic: Capital Punishment
Replies: 223
Views: 18747

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As you know, the following statement you made caught my eye: However, as I sincerely hope you understand, capital punishment is not, and should not be, a form of vengeance. You conceded (as you were required to) that you were incorrect when you stated as fact that capital punishment is not a "f...
by Bold Deceiver
Thu Mar 29, 2007 10:38 pm
Forum: Ethics and Commentary
Topic: Capital Punishment
Replies: 223
Views: 18747

I'm not sure how the approval of a hypothetical god counts for anything with regards to ethics. Couey could say the same thing if he wanted to - "god x approves of the murder, so it's ethical." Um, no. I wouldn't accept that and I doubt you would either. I think you'll agree that this arg...
by Bold Deceiver
Thu Mar 29, 2007 7:14 pm
Forum: Ethics and Commentary
Topic: Capital Punishment
Replies: 223
Views: 18747

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Do I think that morality is absolute? (i.e. do I think the the principle that 'revenge is unethical' is universal?) - Yes. Hence, under your ethical construct, Bettina's belief (that retribution for slaughtering a mere child is not unethical) is unethical. I wonder if that makes Bettina unethical? ...
by Bold Deceiver
Wed Mar 28, 2007 7:38 pm
Forum: Ethics and Commentary
Topic: Capital Punishment
Replies: 223
Views: 18747

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The death penalty is said to serve two principal social purposes: retribution and deterrence of capital crimes by prospective offenders. Alright. I'm man enough to admit I was wrong there. Honestly, I'm taken aback by that opinion, as it implies the Supreme Court supports retribution/vengeance as a...
by Bold Deceiver
Tue Mar 27, 2007 7:39 pm
Forum: Ethics and Commentary
Topic: Capital Punishment
Replies: 223
Views: 18747

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Can you sit back in your chair, close your eyes, and play out every moment of her life with Couey? Can you come close to seeing the unmentionable terror in her face, her crys, her pleading with him? Can you hear the dirt falling on the garbage bags while being buried alive? I can and have many time...
by Bold Deceiver
Tue Mar 27, 2007 7:31 pm
Forum: Ethics and Commentary
Topic: Capital Punishment
Replies: 223
Views: 18747

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[C]apital punishment can't be an ethical option. More disturbing "truisms" from the left. Tell you what, I'll address this below. Read on, friend! So... the Supreme Court said that capital punishment "is/should be vengeance "? That's not what I see from (WIKIPEDIA) Then perhaps ...
by Bold Deceiver
Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:52 pm
Forum: Ethics and Commentary
Topic: Capital Punishment
Replies: 223
Views: 18747

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I don't care about the ratio...what if you were that one innocent life BD? Would you care then? Probably.... Mmmm... such a challenge! Let's see ... would I care if I were in fact the one arrested, tried, wrongly convicted and sentenced to death.... Let's see.... OH gosh I'm paralyzed with indecisi...
by Bold Deceiver
Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:44 pm
Forum: Ethics and Commentary
Topic: Capital Punishment
Replies: 223
Views: 18747

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In fact, having visited prisons before, I think some convicts consider the death penalty as a better fate than than the lowly existence in those places. How many of them put in a request, to your knowledge? I'm curious, if revenge as a reason for capital punishment is on the "okay" side o...
by Bold Deceiver
Sun Mar 25, 2007 11:50 am
Forum: Ethics and Commentary
Topic: Capital Punishment
Replies: 223
Views: 18747

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Call me a skeptic . . . . Yer a skeptic. Ok seriously -- I don't think there's a legal definition of innocence, in criminal law. One is eitther guilty of the crime or one is not guilty. In civil law there is comparative fault liability in most states now -- an apportionment of damages based on the ...
by Bold Deceiver
Sun Mar 25, 2007 8:46 am
Forum: Ethics and Commentary
Topic: Capital Punishment
Replies: 223
Views: 18747

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Of course this does nothing to show your risk ratio assessment is backwards, it may still be that overall, net result is you are right, but it makes me think the ratio isn't as far apart as you think . . . . I'm not sure about the ratio Will. On the other hand, I think common sense suggests that op...
by Bold Deceiver
Sat Mar 24, 2007 5:49 pm
Forum: Ethics and Commentary
Topic: Capital Punishment
Replies: 223
Views: 18747

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Let's say we live in a society with the death penalty. Assume that, say, 1500 innocent victims would be saved from vicious homicide annually, and spared the horror that Lothar faced. Suppose further that 1 innocent person would be wrongly convicted and ultimately executed following the expiration o...
by Bold Deceiver
Sat Mar 24, 2007 12:20 pm
Forum: Ethics and Commentary
Topic: Capital Punishment
Replies: 223
Views: 18747

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If as a society we imposed the death penalty for murders occurring on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays, I believe that murders would decrease on those days. I think the number of murders that dropped off on those days would only be those that were premeditated. the crimes of passion and the robbery...
by Bold Deceiver
Fri Mar 23, 2007 7:12 pm
Forum: Ethics and Commentary
Topic: Capital Punishment
Replies: 223
Views: 18747

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The article I linked above was written in response to the brutal murder of someone in my family. Your loss is a tragic one, and I'm saddened and horrified by it. I think reasonable people can disagree on this point. I just happen to believe, quite strongly, that Bet holds the better arguments here....