Just got fired at bennigans.
Just got fired at bennigans.
So bennigans has the ridiculous test of 14 pages worth of menu junk. I tried learning it but i ended up going to an anime convention over the weekend. So i was going to ask for more time but they said, \"take the test and pass or go work somewhere else.\" So i cheated! Made sense right? Primed all 14 pages on 14 2.6x1.5\" cardstock cards.
It was perfect! I palmed the cards and i could have passed the test in no time!!! ... but then i told this guy I thought I befriended, about my secret, but i guess he didn't want me working there. Not a few minutes later, after telling him, they stuck a manager right in front of me. Now he couldn't see my cards, andi'm really good at palming. But i can't read my cards with him watching my every move. And my other problem was I couldn’t holster my card back up my sleeve with out making the small noise of paper. So I acted like I was stuck on one question and talked to the guy while the corners of the card started cutting into my hand. Other managers came by who were once very nice to me were acting very rude and it was my guess they also knew. In the end I had to go to
It was perfect! I palmed the cards and i could have passed the test in no time!!! ... but then i told this guy I thought I befriended, about my secret, but i guess he didn't want me working there. Not a few minutes later, after telling him, they stuck a manager right in front of me. Now he couldn't see my cards, andi'm really good at palming. But i can't read my cards with him watching my every move. And my other problem was I couldn’t holster my card back up my sleeve with out making the small noise of paper. So I acted like I was stuck on one question and talked to the guy while the corners of the card started cutting into my hand. Other managers came by who were once very nice to me were acting very rude and it was my guess they also knew. In the end I had to go to
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there's more to what happend but because of this problem i can't upload a post with too many letters.
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Nope. It sounds to me that you just learned a very good life lesson. Lie to your boss = fired. Just be thankful you learned it while at a crap job and not a career one. Learn that you need to make priorities and learn what they should be, then move on. Micky D's is ALWAYS hiring.Isaac wrote:there's more to what happend...
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Yep. You have absolutely no excuse, man.Dedman wrote:Lie to your boss = fired.
Learn from it (i.e. the lesson is, "Study. Do what you gotta do. And don't be the guy who lies/cheats themselves into a position you're not prepared for."), and move on.
[Edit: As a former teacher, the idea that cheating "doesn't hurt anybody" is just ridiculous. If I let my Calculus students (heck, my Algebra students for that matter!) slide by with cheating, I wouldn't be helping them. In fact, I'd be setting them up for failure.
Same goes here, even if the stakes are lower. The reason for a test is to make sure you're prepared for the work. Isaac, if you hadn't been caught, you would certainly have appeared incompetent (or at the very least unprepared) when you couldn't answer questions about menu items.]
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well in the end i had to go the restroom, he heard the paper being put back in my pocket and asked about it. I left the restaurant. walked over and got hired at a restaurant next door not five minutes later. I won’t be cheating this time… no anime cons this week
but as for cheating... only if there's no other choice. 1 rule: survive.
but as for cheating... only if there's no other choice. 1 rule: survive.
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Rule one can't be absolute, or at least I hope it isn't. Let's take the most extreme example, would you kill to survive? And I don't mean self defense. You and another guy stranded on a desert island, not enough food for both of you. Would you kill him in order to survive? (assuming he was NOT trying to kill you)Issac wrote:but as for cheating... only if there's no other choice. 1 rule: survive.
So if you agree that there must be some limits on rule one, that there are things you would NOT do to survive, then you have to decide at what point cheating honest people is actually something you are willing to do just to survive.
Second issue, since you were able to go across the street and get a job, the choice wasn't really survival critical, was it.
And third, and perhaps most importantly, the choice wasn't between cheating and the job, it was between the anime convention and a job.
This is NOT meant as a personal attack on you, just some things for you to think about.
Not a fair question, since everyone here has a different conception of death.Kilarin wrote:Rule one can't be absolute, or at least I hope it isn't. Let's take the most extreme example, would you kill to survive?
For you, the question is read, "Would you kill to postpone being ushered into an eternal life of blissfulness?"
For others, the question is read, "Would you kill to prevent your personal being from ceasing?"
So let's make sure we're all talking about the same thing here. I'm sure you can understand how critical the discrepancy is.
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No im active. 2 jobs and a video game project along with doing helping/playing with friends = my life.TigerRaptorFX wrote:Lazy and cheating isn't the kind of image you want. I hope in your case this was a one time thing.
I need to figure out how to fit my aikido classes back in... i just went to an anime con and my scheduling overloaded.
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Maybe you need to take a \"time management\" course. If you can't study, then you need to quit one of your jobs. I don't understand why you need two jobs at your age. IIRC, you are just a teenager in HS right? I worked one job while in HS and it was enough. Your priority right now is education. You can party all you want after you get an education.
But if you don't learn from this, you will cheat at everything, including relationships which will cost you dearly.
But if you don't learn from this, you will cheat at everything, including relationships which will cost you dearly.
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He was obviously ★■◆● at this too. Dr. Nirvana suggests suicide.De Rigueur wrote:Maybe get a job palming cards?
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or you could try READING my post. them fancy letters says things.Nirvana wrote:He was obviously ***** at this too. Dr. Nirvana suggests suicide.De Rigueur wrote:Maybe get a job palming cards?
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I would skip ikkicon.... at the time i did think i had time for both.Important thing is, Issac, if you got in the same scenario, would you choose to cheat again to go to an anime convention? If you absolutely have no time to study for it, would you go or choose to stay?
Austin texas has the most educated servers in the country. Most people who are waiters are people with degrees trying to get better jobs. many med students work at bennigans. So as a result they make it hard to wait tables with stupid tests.Dedman wrote:Wait, college grads are allowed to work at Bennigans?
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Not trying to hijack the thread here, but:
The problem is, I feel that way because I believe that there really IS such a thing as right and wrong outside of my own opinion, which IS tied to my conception of the universe and the question of what happens after death, of course. So on that level your objection is reasonable.
it's not critical to me, my decision would be the same even if I believed that death meant ceasing to exist for eternity. I would not take an innocent life just to preserve my own. (At least I hope I would not, and not in the circumstances described)Jeff250 wrote:For you, the question is read, "Would you kill to postpone being ushered into an eternal life of blissfulness?"
For others, the question is read, "Would you kill to prevent your personal being from ceasing?"
So let's make sure we're all talking about the same thing here. I'm sure you can understand how critical the discrepancy is.
The problem is, I feel that way because I believe that there really IS such a thing as right and wrong outside of my own opinion, which IS tied to my conception of the universe and the question of what happens after death, of course. So on that level your objection is reasonable.
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Silly monkey, if you were any good you'd be able to do it even if they knew. JUST LIKE A FINELY TUNED CRYPTOGRAPHIC ALGORITHM. Doctors orders are still suicide!Isaac wrote:or you could try READING my post. them fancy letters says things.Nirvana wrote:He was obviously ***** at this too. Dr. Nirvana suggests suicide.De Rigueur wrote:Maybe get a job palming cards?
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Umm every restaurant I've worked in has these evil menus and all the Staff including Managers were given these same stupid tests, and we all had to memorize them. Gads they even changed them quite a bit ... especially every season.Isaac wrote:I would skip ikkicon.... at the time i did think i had time for both.Important thing is, Issac, if you got in the same scenario, would you choose to cheat again to go to an anime convention? If you absolutely have no time to study for it, would you go or choose to stay?
Austin texas has the most educated servers in the country. Most people who are waiters are people with degrees trying to get better jobs. many med students work at bennigans. So as a result they make it hard to wait tables with stupid tests.Dedman wrote:Wait, college grads are allowed to work at Bennigans?
And you know what Isaac... as one of the Cooks I had to know them best.
As a waiter all you have to do is follow your Pavlovian responses to the "order up" sound and carry the food from the kitchen to the table like a good chimp, without spilling hot coffee on laps or messing up orders. And last but not least, when a patron of a Restaurant comes in and asks the waiter for menu choices they kinda expect the wait staff to know it.
Thumbs down dude.
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Like i said it was a big test with things a cook should know. Easily over 200 questions. I know i'm just dumb mussel but i'm sure that a waiter can do his job with out knowing the things on that test.Canuck wrote: Umm every restaurant I've worked in has these evil menus and all the Staff including Managers were given these same stupid tests, and we all had to memorize them.
As a waiter all you have to do is follow your Pavlovian responses to the "order up" sound and carry the food from the kitchen to the table like a good chimp, without spilling hot coffee on laps or messing up orders. And last but not least, when a patron of a Restaurant comes in and asks the waiter for menu choices they kinda expect the wait staff to know it.
Thanks Mobius im 24
But since i have you guys attention, what should I do, aside from what doctor Nirvana orders are. They never fired me, i walked out after i was asked if i was cheating. What should i do? Call up and officialy quit? Pretend it never happend (i was only there for 3 days)?
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I was kicked out of the house at 16 and was paying rent, working, and going to school. I paid $50.00 a month, (70's $$) to the old Man since I was 12 for room and board. Allowance schmallowance... you worked in my family.Mobius wrote:Give the kid a break. I mean, Isaac is like 16 years old - yeah? And you tools never made a mistake when you were 16? Yeah - right. You were out being young and stupid, just like every other 16 year old.
Remember that?
In two years your supposed to be an Adult?
Phhht 24, hmmm I bet you still live at your Parent's home right? Sorry no sympathy here.
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You have the worst mental picture of me!Canuck wrote: Phhht 24, hmmm I bet you still live at your Parent's home right?
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Yeah, I remember it like it was yesterday!Mobius wrote:Give the kid a break. I mean, Isaac is like 16 years old - yeah? And you tools never made a mistake when you were 16? Yeah - right. You were out being young and stupid, just like every other 16 year old.
Remember that?
Or today, for that matter.
And I can honestly say that the only stupid thing I did recently was browse this forum.
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Mobius wrote:Give the kid a break. I mean, Isaac is like 16 years old - yeah? And you tools never made a mistake when you were 16? Yeah - right. You were out being young and stupid, just like every other 16 year old.
Remember that?
LOLIsaac wrote: Thanks Mobius im 24
Oh, and Mr Strip, I never fucked up when I was 16. I never even ★■◆● up now (well, only cuz I haven't been caught)
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It's "muscle", a "mussel" is a kind of shellfish.Isaac wrote:Like i said it was a big test with things a cook should know. Easily over 200 questions. I know i'm just dumb mussel but i'm sure that a waiter can do his job with out knowing the things on that test.
Thanks Mobius im 24
But since i have you guys attention, what should I do, aside from what doctor Nirvana orders are. They never fired me, i walked out after i was asked if i was cheating. What should i do? Call up and officialy quit? Pretend it never happend (i was only there for 3 days)?
While I don't think you should pretend like it never happened (you made the mistake, you need to own up), I'm willing to bet that, under the circumstances, they consider you to be out'a there. I would suggest an apology (in person > phone), but from my experience, even if you were sincere they'd probably still hate your guts; You tried to take advantage of them, and that has a way of pissing people off. Not to grind you, Isaac, but this isn't just one of life's little mistakes, it was a major screw up; the major screw-up didn't start with the con, in my estimation, though we can label that as a job-threatening mistake (20-20 hindsight)--no, the big screw-up started at the test. Honesty really is the best policy, it's not just a quaint saying. There's a very important policy that has to follow after that, though: Don't screw up (this one won't help you now, but it the future it will sure make honest an easier policy)--always stay on top of what you're doing, especially when it comes to your job. If you'd have told them that you couldn't do it, or even just given it your best shot (personally I would have recommended both in that order--admit that you screwed up and hadn't had/taken time to study, but try anyway if they'll let you), you may only have been let go. They wouldn't hate you, they just wouldn't have much use for you.
Anyway, the fact of the matter is that you deserved to be fired, but you still did 3 days of work for them. I would recommend going to them, sincerely apologizing, and then getting your pay for work you did (not on the basis of the apology, but on the basis of the work). They don't owe you a job, but they certainly owe you for the work. It will probably be painful--it takes courage--but it's alway best to face a situation instead of hiding from it.
On a side note, knowing the menu cover-to-cover is very important, IMO. If I'm at a resturant and a waiter knows the answer to all of my questions about the menu, it reflects really well on them and the resturant. "I don't know"/"I'm not sure" doesn't do anybody any good.
Good luck!