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CUDA wrote:I swear you make this **** up as you go along

Fun with connections. Murdoch has a conservative agenda, owns many outlets to spew that agenda and hires like minded people to make sure they put forth that agenda to his gullible masses. If he can hire "professionals" with former connections to the "opposition" to give his message credence, it makes it a coup. Clinton kissed and kowtowed to more Republican butt than Obama, almost, so he might as well be called for what he is, a Republican. And Clinton's term brought the final coupe de grace in a course of action that Reagan began, that cemented our current economic grief. Ain't it grande.

As for Occupy Oakland, the mayor had to apologize for the actions of her police. Nothing like nasty police tactics to surge a movement ahead.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/ ... LH20111028

Now this is choice. I found this little item in our local Home Depot. A similar item can be had at our independent hardware store as well. This shows the extent of our problem with the lack of jobs in our country. Here we have a company that literally drapes itself in Lady Liberty of all things, while showing that it "made" this product in the traitorous Wall Street co-conspirator country, "China", which was emblazoned on the bottom of the package. This little piece of hardware costs only 98 cents. I'd pay triple that just to get a product of higher quality made in the U.S. I was stuck buying this product because there are NO OTHER OPTIONS available locally. Jerks.

Yeah, their tactics make sense to TC. Wanna keep protesters from finally realizing the real threat and becoming focused? Make them start fighting over which park to camp out in. I see misdirection.

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I would just like to post this simplified venn diagram:

None of that is possible without an apathetic populace. We voted representatives and started calling them leaders. Not because we wanted leaders but because we didn't want to have to worry about it ourselves. Protests mean nothing.

EDIT: Only would matter if your talking a dictatorship, where the seat of power is in the hands of one person.

flip wrote:Protests mean nothing.

They indicate a distinct lack of apathy. I notice a trend of "things can't possibly get better, so why even try?" here.

I've noticed a lot of protesters wearing these masks, which is a depiction of Guy Fawkes



The faceless leader's mask from the comic book V for Vendetta. How apropos for our times.

Try what?

TC, they wear that mask so their parents can't see their face and realize what low intellect spawn they had.

These kids could also feel the same way about their parents who sat by and watched it happen. I was pointing this stuff out 25 years ago, I had an advantage, the Bible told me so, but nevertheless it was met with much scorn and contention. The point I guess is that it is inevitable and just be prepared for it. The whole point to fuse everything into one is to eventually make one seat of authority.

woodchip wrote:TC, they wear that mask so their parents can't see their face and realize what low intellect spawn they had.

No, that's a remnant from Project Chanology, the anti-Scientology protests. The idea was to hide one's identity from a group of total psychopaths, but I don't think Wall Street is as completely 100% insane as Scientology.

Think now, with the broad government powers given by the Patriot Act, and all the video surveillance going on everywhere, wouldn't you hide your face from the authorities if you were protesting, and wear a mask to do it with anonymity and style?

How OWS started and why it's still around. It's a long article, but very interesting. The conservatives here will love the anarchist connection.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/da ... 62011.html

Nope. I'm calling a spade a spade. !@#holes wanna dust me? More power to them. I'm not sure they could anyways unless it was allowed.

We're getting (#$@ed from both sides. Screw Republicans, screw Democrats, we're only perpetuating their game of idiot tug-of-war they WANT us to play.

I've seen the light.
(...but the Occupy guys should probably get jobs...)

SilverFJ wrote:(...but the Occupy guys should probably get jobs...)

I haven't been here long enough (or following close enough) to know if you are joking. And if you are I sincerely apologize. Seeing statements like that drive me crazy and compel me to act out, even when the statements are in jest. Unemployment is still a solid 9%, down just half a percentage point from last year, and half a point from the year before that. If everyone could just get enough work to support themselves there probably wouldn't be a protest. People are wondering where the jobs are. You know, the ones that were supposed to be created when taxpayers forked over 1.4 trillion to fix the economy and get it back on track -- over three years ago... The job market looks hardly different that it did in the middle of the recession; one we are climbing out of so slowly as to make seemingly no progress at all.

But you are definitely right about one thing. Right and Left, they both have to go.


This whole situation really bums me out. Like, really makes me depressed.

That money went to build infrastructure.

vision wrote:unemployment is still a solid 9%,

Really, maybe you should look in to the real numbers not the governmental adjust numbers. Just because people discontinue looking for jobs because of discouragement doesn't mean they are employed.

SilverFJ wrote: (...but the Occupy guys should probably get jobs...)

Not likely given that many to most are professional protesters and it's now backed by ACORN. .. yeah... those guys again.

SilverFJ wrote: we're only perpetuating their game of idiot tug-of-war they WANT us to play.

right you are, young man! Further, view the parties as just artificial creations to do the bidding of others and you might be getting really close to reality. As for the last part, have no fear, most of the Occupy folks are employed, and only show up for some events.

Your Homeland Security tax dollars at work rousting camping protesters from a federally-owned plaza. Is that the role the Federal Protective Service is supposed to be used for, arresting down and out American citizens for trespassing? I guess they've gotten ALL those big bad terrorists now and are bored.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/132941998.html

I don't see any terrorists in this bunch either. Creeping big government authoritarianism brought to you by Bush and allowed to continue by Obama. BOO!

And bringing up the ACORN boogeyman Duper. Tsk, tsk. ACORN's dead and gone as an organization. It's only the leader who remains. He's no more important in OWS than anyone else. Micheal Moore, that nasty propaganda-making liberal, is out there agitating too, along with a whole slew of others. You should be worrying about the draconian voter registration laws some of these new Republican governors are passing all over the country. Guess who these new laws impact the most, home-bound seniors, the poor and the homeless. They're mostly Democratic too. Next up for voter pruning to make things easier for Republicans to get elected, I'm guessing the poll tax.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/10/31/2 ... -over.html

Duper wrote:

SilverFJ wrote: (...but the Occupy guys should probably get jobs...)

Not likely given that many to most are professional protesters and it's now backed by ACORN. .. yeah... those guys again.

yeesh. Silver gets it, you don't

So it would seem the protestors are doing more harm to the little man than the big bank execs.:

"Marc Epstein, owner of the Milk Street Cafe at 40 Wall Street in lower Manhattan, said he had to cut 21 of the 97 members of his staff on Thursday and Friday after seeing sales plummet by 30 percent in the six weeks since the protests began. He's also been forced to slash the restaurant operating hours, moving up his closing time from 9 p.m. to 3:30 p.m. Mondays through Thursdays."

Perhaps the concerned "for the 99%" protestors should take their demonstrations out to, say, the middle of Long Island Sound.

how long did it take Fox News to locate that example, Woody? Please, if you can't see that there are bigger issues at work here than Mr Epstein's short-term business, you need to get out more.

Oh, yeah, I was half-way kidding about them getting jobs. Half because they could be out getting jobs while they protest, but half because that'a kind of what they're protesting about. (what a conundrum!)

Yes yes...the loss of 21 people is worse than destroying the entire global economy, getting taxpayer money, and then continuing to do it the same exact thing.

Don't confuse the issue with statistics, TB. Everyone knows that the OWS movement is supposed to be roughly equivalent to the Tea Party movement. The same good people concerned about the same issues. This is just another case of conservatives trying to make a big deal of the stark contrast between themselves and the these dimwit liberal hippies that voted Obama in.

You honestly expect us to believe that no tea party member has ever committed a crime?

Lol Thorne nailed it. These are all the same kids that voted Obama in, now they are pissed they are getting change, just not the change they were sold.

Krom wrote:You honestly expect us to believe that no tea party member has ever committed a crime?

That is a little hard to believe, the contrast between the two not withstanding.

I'm pretty sure he was talking about AT the protests themselves.

To all the deluded FOX News watchers here, the White House shooter was NOT associated with OWS. It was made up hype. The guy was only using OWS protests as cover. But he HAS called himself a modern day Jesus Christ. Another crazy religious nutcase with a gun and no scruples against using it illegally.

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-11-18/us/u ... h?_s=PM:US



As for the other crimes, anytime you get a large group of people in a chaotic situation, there will always be a group of the less savory types taking advantage of it. I also wouldn't put some of this stuff past imbedded agent provocateurs.

Sergeant Throne, tea partiers may not have committed observable crimes, but they did spit on Congress members as they went into the Capital building many times. As a group, they're also the most greedy, self-centered and conceited bunch of corporate buttkissers to ever protest for their OWN self interests. They certainly could care less about our society as a whole, since they railed against a perceived socialist agenda so non-existent it's imaginary.

TC your last two sentences aren't worth the bits used to store them in my eyes. I know what you think of conservatives, and you know what I think of that. As for spitting on congressman... they deserve a lot worse than that for the collective political tragedies that have transpired under their tenure. It may not be the direct fault of every single person in there, but anyone not making a stink about it also isn't doing what they're in there for. I don't give a damn about your misplaced sensibilities next to the weight of the problems looming for this country. And the OWS movement isn't doing a damn productive thing about it, just throwing a public tantrum for not having their desires fulfilled--hurting local business, hindering local government, and trying their very best to give the powers that be reason to instate marshal law by being so disorganized, stupid, gullible, and lawless.

EDIT: I'll grant that there are probably people involved in OWS that are genuinely unhappy with business and government for some good reasons. Personally I think the act of "occupying" an area of business in order to make a political point is wrong, and in order to make a point about ]big] business it is invalid and ought to be dealt with by the police. There is a very different tenor to this movement, which amounts to nothing but brute democratic force without any legal or proper organization.

Democracy is messy. Nothing changes until people throw a temper tantrum now and then. I for one am glad for all those violent protests during the sixites. Nothing was going to change until the poop hit the fan and threw it into people's faces. People tend to become too complacent otherwise.

As for the tea party, they haven't changed anything, except to get a few of their crazier members elected. All they've done is take away workers rights, cut taxes for the wealthy and add to the destruction of the middle class. They went around and held up their little signs that railed against something that wasn't even true, creeping Socialism. Bah. All they want is to keep their wealth, enrich the already wealthy, keep the corporate status quo in power and kill, not reform, those social programs and protective agencies that are there for the common good of everyone.

If you think a protest, even a violent one is going to change a damn thing unless it changes the minds and hearts of those around it first then you're ignorant of what we're dealing with. All it will do is start the PR machine playing your (their) tune, and get sympathetic votes for whoever can pick up and carry that tune the most convincingly. It's still the same people writing the lyrics, and they don't care any more about what's right than before you threw a fit. In fact they were ready for you, and they will most likely turn it to their advantage.

Krom wrote:You honestly expect us to believe that no tea party member has ever committed a crime?

This has to be the dumbest reply ever.

woodchip wrote:

Krom wrote:You honestly expect us to believe that no tea party member has ever committed a crime?

This has to be the dumbest reply ever.

You leave it there. Why? I agree with Krom.

Case ONE http://www.florida-criminal-lawyer-blog ... rdale.html

Trespassing and resisting arrest is not on that list

Too bad history has shown us over and over again that while protesting can help bring about change, it mostly accomplishes very, very little. Actual action, as in working to help others and working/aiding the making of the needed changes is where applied effort can be effective.

Most protests (including most of OWA, you can hate me later) are a tremendous waste of time, serving to do nothing but to complain instead of working to help make change.

I am soooo reminded of Buffalo Springfield's "For What It's Worth" song... "What a field-day for the heat, A thousand people in the street, Singing songs and carrying signs, Mostly say, hooray for our side"

flip wrote:Trespassing and resisting arrest is not on that list

Being pepper sprayed while doing nothing wrong isn't either.

TechPro wrote:Too bad history has shown us over and over again that while protesting can help bring about change, it mostly accomplishes very, very little. Actual action, as in working to help others and working/aiding the making of the needed changes is where applied effort can be effective.

I'm all for action, however, demonstrating for your beliefs and showing that others believe it too can change the minds of people. It can spur people into action, perhaps educate themselves on the issues.

Protests also need to be in line with popular thinking to have any affect. Timing is important as well.

The Tea Party changed Congress...we shall see with OWS.