Stochastic Terrorism

[Tunnelcat]

If this doesn't explain why Charlie Kirk was murdered and why the MAGA right immediately called for violence before the shooter's identity was known, I don't know what does. Historically black colleges back east were sent bomb threats right after the shooting. People from MAGA on most social media platforms called for violent retribution and war. Trump posted and commented on TV about how the left is evil and we need to do something about them. MAGA whined that people weren't being sad and respectful for poor Mr. Kirk, despite the fact that the murdered Minnesota State Rep., her husband and their dog were murdered by another right wing nut job and she received so such consideration from Republicans. No moment of silence in the House for them either. And no moment of silence for the school children that were shot on the same day as Kirk.

Now, after it was revealed out that the shooter came from a Trump-voting, Republican, religious, gun loving, Mormon family and he was a white, young male, the narrative crashed and now crickets of frustration from MAGA. The FBI didn't even catch the guy after they bumbled around and falsely arrested 2 innocent people before letting them go. The grandfather or father eventually turned him in. MAGts want to kill liberals so bad they can taste it. it's become mass mental illness.

Same with the Trump shooter. A white, young, male Republican. Given the similarity between both incidents, a conspiracy theory could be made that both were inside jobs meant to stoke Civil War and keep Trump in office. I wouldn't put it past the Mango Mussolini's cronies to come up with this BS of an idea. Kirk himself was a brash, loudmouthed, misogynistic, homophobic, white nationalist who's sole reason for holding his little "group debates" was to rile up people to join his cause and get a hard on while doing it. Kirk himself was funded by a right wing billionaire, all in order to spread anti-left agitprop. You connect the dots.

[Krom]

In another forum someone posted this quote (taken from here) after comparing Kirk to Limbaugh:

I Agree, He Was A Piss Man And The World Is Better For His Death, By Albert Burneko

Rush Limbaugh worked for pretty much every day of his adult life to make the world worse. Not different, just worse, just meaner and dumber in precisely every way it was already mean and dumb. He did not have some well-intentioned vision of a better world that just differed from yours or mine; he had no real politics, in the particular (and, for everyone else, intensely political) way that a certain class of white man can aggressively have no real politics to speak of, and he certainly had no moral or ethical base that is worth you thinking about or taking seriously. He was inchoate and stupid and unexamined spite transubstantiated into pork. Maybe, maybe he authentically hated people who were different from him. Maybe he hated the idea that those people might want their circumstances improved, and that someday regarding them as human might become a baseline norm of American life. He certainly portrayed himself that way; so what. That is the absolute most you can grant him by way of thoughts or ideas that may have remained with him even when there was not a microphone or camera in his face. More centrally, more to the point and the bottomlessly bleak meaning of him: He discovered that he could get rewarded by the people he did regard as human for lashing out, as viciously and with as much sneering, undisguised dishonesty as he could muster, at those he did not regard as human, and he did that for as long as anybody knew his name. Now he’s dead, not one moment too soon and many decades too late. He lives on in innumerable interchangeable worthless smirking morons and hustlers. The world will never miss him; he’s everywhere you look.

Charlie Kirk was just another Rush Limbaugh in the making. Another vile, evil, bigoted, hateful ★■◆● who was too greedy and lazy to actually connect with people over their differences when it is so much easier and more comfortable to drive wedges and beat down on the most vulnerable in society. And he won't even be the last to walk in Limbaugh's footsteps, there is always someone else and they are always worse.

[Krom]

And saying Kirk was killed for engaging in harmless political discourse is such complete bull★■◆● it makes me sick.

Its like claiming the Iranians constantly saying "Death to America!" and "Death to the Jews!" is harmless political discourse. Or Putin launching hundreds of drones every night with targeting systems only sophisticated enough to reliably hit a city sized object is harmless political discourse. Or the Israeli Defense Force blockading food from entering Gaza for months is harmless political discourse. In a way, Charlie Kirk is getting in death exactly what he always worked for in life: Increasing political violence and division on all sides. He poured his time and effort into helping re-elect a convicted felon, pathological liar, and rapist back to the white house on a message of revenge and racism.

[Tunnelcat]

Remember, people hear what they want to hear. Limbaugh and Kirk mastered the art of getting white people wrapped up in victimhood, so it was easy to get them to believe marginalized people were the enemy and they themselves were victims. But to get those messages to stick in their minds, most of these people must be easily prone to suggestion and lack critical thinking skills or even thinking through anything on their own, dumb as rocks. They also believe whole heartedly in the Bible as fact, so religious absolutists, which also takes a non-critical thinking mind. In other words, these people can't think for themselves or don't want to, so they're pawns easily manipulated by people in power to bend to their will and purpose.

My sister just can't fathom why I hate Trump, or why I thought Kirk was an ★■◆●. She was even a victim of sexual abuse as a child by our step-father too, yet still thinks Trump is great and Kirk was the equivalent of a prophet. She'll gloss over Trump's sexual faults and lies, because she's been brainwashed by Fox News for years and the politics in her church to hate the left, which pretty much encompasses anyone to the left of her, even independents. She's taken to heart the years long messages of "hate your neighbor" because they're different, black, or illegally in the country, or LGBTQ perverts, or even people from another religion.

Ironically, she loves all the freedoms gained by women during the sexual revolution in the 60s, but just can't see that Kirk was a misogynist and wanted all women to go back to being housewives, baby makers, objects of sexual gratification for their husbands and have their lives under the full control of their husbsnds. Cognitive dissonance is so strong in these people, there's no hope of getting them to see what they've become, hateful pawns. Our country will fracture, probably violently, and for some of the same reasons our own Civil War was fought hundreds of years ago or even the rise of the Naxis culminating in WWII. White Europeans just can't quit the ideal that they're superior to every other race in the world.

[Tunnelcat]

Remember how the assassination of one man started WWI? Well, Kirk's murder is now the start of the new Nazi Revolution against the left, or anyone else who disagrees with their white nationalist mantra, with Musk as the de-facto leader and master agitator. WWIII is coming, and again it will be the world against the far right Nazis. But this time, the world's richest oligarchs will be watching in satisfaction at their years long handiwork from their protected bunkers and they won't give a damn who wins.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/14/uk/elon- ... rally-intl

[Krom]

There is a reason Nazis were the default human enemy type in video games for decades.

[Tunnelcat]

They still are. Wolfenstein, Sniper Elite series. Nazis are so evil, they're attacking their own with Kirk's murder, all because he wasn't far enough to the right with his hateful rhetoric like Fuentes.

[Marvin]

Interesting how people can see the same things very differently. I saw many hours of Kirk during last year (uncutted debates and podcasts) and really don't share the understanding of his characteristics described here. I don't even see educated political opponents believing what is described here.

[Vander]

Maybe saying Haitians are coming to rape your daughter hits different in a 2 minute clip than in the middle of an hour long podcast.

I would say that Kirk wasn't the most hateful of the fascist movement he supported, but that's not a complement.

[vision]

Charlie Kirk didn't contribute to making the world a better place so I can't really say I care he was murdered by someone who also was not making the world better, probably.

[Marvin]

We will strongly disagree about this topic. I found christianity already in contradiction with fascism. And from what I saw I have no reason to believe he wasn't real christian.

[Vander]

Yes, we likely disagree on how to define "christianity," "fascism," and "real christian." I certainly have no expert definition of "christianity" that might distinguish between Pope Leo, Jim Baker, JD Vance, Ralph Warnock, Leonard Leo, Jerry Falwell, Joe Biden, MLK, Sean Feucht, etc as to who the "real christians" are. Personally, I'm more of a 'do unto others' Golden Rule guy than a 'he who has the gold makes the rules' Golden Rule guy, so I'm mostly fine taking someone's word for it. What that means to me, though, is that "christianity" is somewhat adaptable across the political spectrum.

Now, if you want to dictate who is a "real christian" and who is not, let's just say that type of appeal to purity is not incompatible with fascism.

[Marvin]

Now, if you want to dictate who is a "real christian" and who is not, let's just say that type of appeal to purity is not incompatible with fascism.

I don't want dictate anything. Up to everybody to make their conclusions and beliefs.

[Tunnelcat]

And your statement verifies why some Christians are no longer followers of Jesus. They've created an entire new cult based on lust for power and hate. Hate of the immigrant or the foreigner, never mind this country is made up of immigrants and that white Americans are far more likely to commit violent crimes against other Americans than immigrants. Hate of other races not white. Hate for the poor. Hate for religions not your own, or against people who have no belief in a God at all. Hate for those who are LGBTQ and even calling for stoning them to death. So why not adultery? That's the same Biblical judgement for them too. Rigid support of antiabortion laws, but never mind about the well being of those children once they're born or the needless deaths of mothers suffering from pregnancy complications. The fetus comes first, no matter what. It's not about life. It's about power over women, period.

How do I know this with Kirk? The lack of empathy. Empathy, or sympathy, or compassion, no matter how you define it since the words are interchangeable, was a major Tennant of Jesus' teachings. Charlie Kirk hated empathy, called it a "New Age" term and "woke". Isn't that what the Nazis did? Dehumanize those groups of people they disliked to make repressing or debasing them palatable and assuage their guilt for doing that? You aren't followers of Christ. You're followers of the lust for power, dominance, white nationalism and hate.



Right now, the far right in the U.S. is following the same old Nazi playbook with Kirk. Right wingers are canonizing Kirk just as Hitler did with Horst Wessel. Never heard of him? Maybe you should read history before it's scrubbed from our schools as a form of whitewashing by our Mango Musselini and his Himmler sidekick Stephen Miller. Wessler was convenient victim meant to be lifted up as a martyr after his violent death and a rallying cry to arms and violence by the Nazi Party. We are now repeating Nazi history in the U.S., to our detriment, with the lionization of Charlie Kirk as a poor victim of leftist hate, when his whole shtick was to demonize anyone to the left of him, which is pretty much well more than half of America.

[Marvin]

You aren't followers of Christ. You're followers of the lust for power, dominance, white nationalism and hate.

To who you are talking? I'm not even christian.

I don't buy this "hate" thing at all. For example I feel hate in your comment. But that is my subjective problem, it has nothing to do with you being/not being hateful. Also, you don't have to educate me. I'm educated enough. Also I saw a lot of Kirk, so I believe I know his worldview good enough to make an opinion.

[Tunnelcat]

So not being Christian aside, my mistake, what was it that you liked about Charlie Kirk? To me personally, he was a racist, misogynist, homophobic prick and white supremacist, all nicely wrapped up in a shiny, loud, elitist, Bible thumping, Christian wrapping topped with a Cross. I can pull all sorts of direct quotes of Kirk's to back up that sentiment. His wife, even though she forgave the assassin, went on to rant about the evil left during his eulogy, seeming to forget that the assassin was not necessarily a left wing extremist, but another troubled young white male with a gun who wasn't afraid to kill. Those comments did not belong in the eulogy of a murdered man, they were purely meant to inflame, so why even say them over the body of her dead husband if not for hate? You say I exude hate. Well, that's been going both ways politically for a long time. Hate begets hate and Kirk lived and breathed it during his little podcasts and live shows like sick theater. Live by the gun, die by the gun. None of this came out of thin air either, or haven't you ever watched any of Trump's rallies? According to Trump, the left encompasses all independent, middle of the road and lefty American voters. Why are we all so evil, when the biggest criminal pedophile thief is currently living in the White House trampling the Constitution and the rule of law?

[Krom]

https://zeteo.com/p/charlie-kirk-in-his-own-words

[Marvin]

I leave it here. We observe things in reality differently. We most likely observe ideas behind things differently aswell. I rather go back and focus on descent here only as I was doing before. Have a good day.

[vision]

I rather go back and focus on descent here only as I was doing before. Have a good day.

Yes, don't get involved, it's a sick past time. I'm here to watch your videos and talk about Descent. I rarely join E&C threads now that the most egregious liars have been banned, and I feel like I was only posting before to combat those lies. Personally I've never watched more than a few minutes of any Charlie Kirk video, but it usually only took those few minutes before he said something that seemed pretty horrible to me. Then again I'm a radical leftist with a degree in philosophy so my standard for discourse is pretty high.

[TigerRaptor]

I leave it here. We observe things in reality differently. We most likely observe ideas behind things differently aswell. I rather go back and focus on descent here only as I was doing before. Have a good day. If you haven't yet.

I’m not saying you should stop posting on the DBB, but you should also check out the 6Hang and r/Descent Discord server. It’s politics-free and full of people who still enjoy the classic Descent trilogy.

6Hang hosted by Birdseye.
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r/Descent host by CHILLY_BUS.
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Not big into noise rings. But holy crap that red head in Tunnelcat's video is cute.