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What may be all the hubub with the high terrorist risk alert

Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 4:52 pm
by Top Wop
http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=757

Basically saying that there is supposidly a thread for Feb 2nd to set of a nuke in New York by Al Qaeda.

Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 5:31 pm
by Gooberman
Fear = $

Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 7:15 pm
by DCrazy
What is this DebkaFile? It's offered in Hebrew, so I'm assuming it's Jewish...

Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 7:20 pm
by Tyranny
What Goob said. Most countries have a hard time getting the materials and know how to even use a nuclear weapon let alone go un-noticed by the US that they have one and now all of a sudden Al Qaeda supposedly has the means to drop a nuke or detonate a nuke in the US? Highly Unlikely...with that kind of threat all air traffic into the United States and within the United States will be cutoff other then authorized Armed Forces personnel in the skies. Anything not authorized to be in the air that is goes boom.

Remember, these people are prone to exaggeration. They'll do anything it takes to keep American people scared and keep themselves in the spotlight. If they do somehow manage to pull off a nuclear attack on New York ..... let's just say operation "Shock and Awe" is going to look like a small town ballpark Fourth of July fireworks display when we're done with them.

Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 10:34 pm
by Flabby Chick
I wondered when somone would find DEBKA. It's a very hit and miss site. They come up with some amazing scoops somtimes, making you wonder where they get their info from. Other times you have to take their reports with a bucket full of salt.

Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2004 2:07 pm
by Top Wop
I'm looking this over a second time and realizing that this is'nt a good source of info.

Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 9:43 am
by Nirvana
Awesome, nuclear holocaust for my b-day... I couldn't ask for more!

Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 4:05 pm
by Grendel
W/o having read the article yet, usually "authorities" mean dirty bombs (ie. HE bombs containing additional radioactive material) when refering to "nuclear" bombs. Dirty bombs are real nasty tho and a lot easier to come by..

Edit: Yep, sure sounds like a DB to me. Lots of "radioactive cloud" talk.

Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 4:31 pm
by snoopy
mmmm, nuclear fallout.

Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 5:49 pm
by Mobius
Only issue I can see is this: A dirty bomb (D Image doesn't achieve terrorists aims - instant annihilation of large numbers of people and big property damage. Sure, you might irradiate an area, but that radiation is unlikely to kill anyone immediately (or even in the long term unless it is VERY dirty indeed.

You might still be seeing the effects of the bomb 20 years later (Cancer, birth deformities, hair loss etc) but this isn't the sort of impact terrorists are looking for - I believe.

Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 6:13 pm
by DCrazy
I'm pretty sure terrorists would be happy if someone dropped a Dirty Bomb here... Regardless of whether or not it killed X number of people instantly, the land would be uninhabitable, the water supply would be ruined, and mass quantities of people would be tainted. Don't pretend dirty bombs aren't so bad. Image

Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 8:16 pm
by Nitrofox125
Plus just saying "I have a dirty bomb" == people are scared, they listen, ad you get money Image

Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 10:41 pm
by Mobius
The design of a DB is going to be pretty tough. You need the material to completely disentegrate, and I'm not talking dust, I'm talking invisible particles - dust would not be small enough to do any significant damage, because rain would wash it away - straight away.

You need enough explosive matter to not only destroy all your DB stuff, but also big enough to loft it very high into the air. I'm guessing you'd need more than 100 KG of C4 (Typically, it takes 1KG of Semtex to destroy a truck (Hollywood is full of Bullsh!t) and have the bomb well placed up-wind of where you want the radiation to go.

Don't forget, you actually need to BUILD this bomb. And in the meantime, you have to collect several hundred kilograms of Americanium (Easiest radioisotope to get in quantity) - but you can't just go and buy the stuff, so you have to GET it from somewhere.

Not only do you have to get it, you have to protect YOURSELF from lethal doses of rads while you build it.

I believe, on summation, that a DB is NOT a danger to the USA (or anyone else for that matter) because of the difficulties and dangers involved.

Occams Razor says other methods are easier, safer (!!) and more destructive.

For example, if you managed to get that much radioactive stuff together, best thing is to chuck it straight into a water supply.

If you just want to blow stuff up (and who doesn't??) then you're best to stick with conventional explosives - which have known behaviours and bombs are (relatively) easy to build.

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 11:54 am
by Admiral Thrawn
Well, as Fark puts it, the terrorist threat has been lowered from "Tang" to "Lemonade"

Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 12:20 am
by Repo Man
9-11 spawned a lot of new government agencies that need to continuously justify their existence. Hence, the never-ending release of "terror alerts." Blahâ?¦ Image