New D3 Patches

akula65 · Post by **akula65** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 8:50 pm

My apologies if this has been mentioned elsewhere, but there is a 13 January 2006 news item at http://www.descent3.com/ which indicates that the Descent 3 Version 1.4 No CD and Version 1.5 Beta patches have been updated to fix a Windows 98 issue.

Krom · Post by **Krom** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 9:31 pm

For the 6 people in the world dumb enough to still use Windows 98 to play games online.

Sirius · Post by **Sirius** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 4:01 am

You'd be surprised, Krom...

I know an unbelievable number of guys that still use Win98 on Kali, mainly to get things such as Descent working.

I personally bug-dodge in XP, but...

BUBBALOU · Post by **BUBBALOU** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 8:09 am

Sirius wrote:...an unbelievable number of guys that still use Win98 on Kali, mainly to get things such as Descent working.

there are reasons for this too

1 - too cheap to buy an OS upgrade
2 - mommy set it up for them and they have no clue
3 - they have a system that can not even run ME
4 - their video card is still an intergrated S3 Virge
5 - they do not know how to turn off the XP NW-Link autosense feature
6 - the list goes on and on

Behemoth · Post by **Behemoth** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 8:55 am

Actually the nwlink ipx/spx auto detect is what worked.

Aggressor Prime · Post by **Aggressor Prime** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 2:34 pm

I wonder how Descent 1/2/3 will run on Vista...

Duper · Post by **Duper** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:01 pm

Some people done care. It's not important to them. *shrug*

d3jake · Post by **d3jake** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 5:50 pm

Krom wrote:For the 6 people in the world dumb enough to still use Windows 98 to play games online.

So I'm dumb now?

Well, I must say that 98 is better than XP. My reason? It's simpler and why should I change OS when the one I already have works?

Jeff250 · Post by **Jeff250** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 6:05 pm

Some day your FAT32 file system will crash, and hard. It's only a matter of time.

Top Wop · Post by **Top Wop** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 6:27 pm

^ Load of BS.

I still use Win98 for legacy games and its a great OS. Not perfect but its still good.

Krom · Post by **Krom** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 6:42 pm

d3jake wrote:
Krom wrote:For the 6 people in the world dumb enough to still use Windows 98 to play games online.
So I'm dumb now? Well, I must say that 98 is better than XP. My reason? It's simpler and why should I change OS when the one I already have works?

I could probably find a normal looking page on the internet that would infect your computer with one or more viruses and cause massive damage to your operating system and data. Windows 98 is so completely full of old exploits that have not and will not be fixed, running it for anything other then a legacy box is risky enough that you can call it just plain stupid.

And I don't really see how Windows 98 is simpler, lets try it out in a reasonably common task like setting up a normal high speed internet connection vs Windows XP.

Windows XP: plug in network card, connect LAN cable to cable modem/dsl modem, turn on computer, done.

Windows 98: plug in network card, connect LAN cable, boot up computer, install network card drivers, reboot, find and resolve IRQ conflict between network card and sound card, reboot, install TCP/IP on finally functioning network card, reboot and enjoy because Windows 98 always takes twice as long to boot if it is trying to use a network card then if it has no network card installed, and finally done if nothing else goes wrong.

I would say Windows XP is simpler.

Matrix · Post by **Matrix** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 7:06 pm

Aggressor Prime wrote:I wonder how Descent 1/2/3 will run on Vista...

Same, Vista has been so down graded from what they wanted it be its pretty much just an XP upgrade

I've used it, I know

Behemoth · Post by **Behemoth** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 7:30 pm

Krom wrote: Windows XP: plug in network card, connect LAN cable to cable modem/dsl modem, turn on computer, done.

Windows 98: plug in network card, connect LAN cable, boot up computer, install network card drivers, reboot, find and resolve IRQ conflict between network card and sound card, reboot, install TCP/IP on finally functioning network card, reboot and enjoy because Windows 98 always takes twice as long to boot if it is trying to use a network card then if it has no network card installed, and finally done if nothing else goes wrong.

I would say Windows XP is simpler.

I was actually going to mention something along the lines of that until you did.

Jeff250 · Post by **Jeff250** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 8:19 pm

Top Wop wrote:^ Load of BS.

I still use Win98 for legacy games and its a great OS. Not perfect but its still good.

FAT32 doesn't journal. It'll catch up to you.

TechPro · Post by **TechPro** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 9:52 pm

(watching the win98/XP debate is very entertaining... especially since both sides are... both right and wrong)..

Face it guys, both sides have some legitimate reasons and arguing it is ... silly.

Xamindar · Post by **Xamindar** » Sun Jan 22, 2006 9:55 pm

Jeff250 wrote: FAT32 doesn't journal. It'll catch up to you.

No it wont.

d3jake · Post by **d3jake** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 3:11 pm

Krom wrote:
d3jake wrote:
Krom wrote:For the 6 people in the world dumb enough to still use Windows 98 to play games online.
So I'm dumb now? Well, I must say that 98 is better than XP. My reason? It's simpler and why should I change OS when the one I already have works?
I could probably find a normal looking page on the internet that would infect your computer with one or more viruses and cause massive damage to your operating system and data. Windows 98 is so completely full of old exploits that have not and will not be fixed, running it for anything other then a legacy box is risky enough that you can call it just plain stupid.

It called a firewall!!! Heard of it? I have happened to have, believe it or not.

I do think that you have valid arguments, those should not be discussed here, PM me if you really want to stick it to me that bad.

BTW, what were the bad side effects to using the 1.5 patch? I have a copy of it, but I haven't tried to use it yet...

Krom · Post by **Krom** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 3:19 pm

A firewall won't help you, like I said, a normal looking page. You click it, you go to it, your PC goes boom. It will go right through your NAT router and firewall because you asked for it.

Matrix · Post by **Matrix** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 3:47 pm

3djake, have you ever even used XP for anything besides web broswing?

Try XP for a while, you go back to 98 and u will be sick to ur stomach after 20min of trying to get your NIC and sound drivers to work right.

Your either ignorant or have never used 2k/XP if you think 98 still a decent OS.
Even MS admits its a POS, they don't even suport it or make patches for it anymore.

MD-2389 · Post by **MD-2389** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 4:58 pm

Xamindar wrote:
Jeff250 wrote: FAT32 doesn't journal. It'll catch up to you.
No it wont.

Heh, yes it will. Particularly as often as BSOD prone 98 is. Data corruption is very easy to accomplish with FAT32. NTFS is light-years ahead of FATxx.

I always had to re-install 9x every six months or so due to windows rot. (if you don't know what that is, look it up.) I've been running the same XP install for almost two years now and its still loading as fast as day one. Can't say the same for 9x.

d3jake · Post by **d3jake** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 6:15 pm

d3jake wrote: I do think that you have valid arguments, those should not be discussed here, PM me if you really want to stick it to me that bad.

Hmm, apparently you don't read too good... I don't want to use XP and none of your insulting me (indirectly or otherwise) won't change that.

Krom · Post by **Krom** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 6:56 pm

d3jake wrote:
d3jake wrote: I do think that you have valid arguments, those should not be discussed here, PM me if you really want to stick it to me that bad.
Hmm, apparently you don't read too good... I don't want to use XP and none of your insulting me (indirectly or otherwise) won't change that.

Tisk, where is Mobius when you actually need the grammar nazi.

Suncho · Post by **Suncho** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 9:01 pm

d3jake wrote: BTW, what were the bad side effects to using the 1.5 patch? I have a copy of it, but I haven't tried to use it yet...

The main one is that it's not compatible with D3 Version 1.4. Almost everyone plays 1.4 and you will no longer be able to play with them.

TechPro · Post by **TechPro** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 10:30 pm

MD-2389 wrote:
Xamindar wrote:
Jeff250 wrote: FAT32 doesn't journal. It'll catch up to you.
No it wont.
Heh, yes it will. Particularly as often as BSOD prone 98 is. Data corruption is very easy to accomplish with FAT32. NTFS is light-years ahead of FATxx.

I always had to re-install 9x every six months or so due to windows rot. (if you don't know what that is, look it up.) I've been running the same XP install for almost two years now and its still loading as fast as day one. Can't say the same for 9x.

Hmmm... I think there is always something one can learn from others.

Among the systems I have, one of them is an old system running Win98 SE (not strong enough for XP) and it's been running on the same installation of Win98 SE for about 6 years without a single re-build. If almost never gets a BSOD and almost all the programs on it run just fine (I say almost because not everyone makes a well behaved program).

You usually couldn't last more than 6 months ??? You may need to learn some practical "maintenance" habits.

roid · Post by **roid** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 6:56 am

i guess this topic is here in the cafe now coz it's an announcement and all.
it is announced!

Sirius · Post by **Sirius** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 1:00 am

Looks like even most of the \"elitist\" crowd of guys I know are running Windows 2000. For good reason, I must admit (98 is ridiculously unstable for me; the NTFS drivers are utter trash).

The one guy who usually uses 98 would be running DOS if he had his way with the world.

But yeah, Krom states in a nutshell the problems with the \"use win98\" solution to getting D2 working; it sucks so much I'd rather play something else.

Thankfully D2x works fine for me in most ways, so I have no need to do that. (On a good day when the skies are clear of bugs, D2X-XL works well also.)

fyrephlie · Post by **fyrephlie** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 1:40 am

screw xp and 98... i spend all my time trying to get everything running under windows 3.0... so far i have solitaire running 'fairly' solidly... and mspaint is definatley the best graphics editor availiable today. stupid elitists trying to run that 'windows for workgroups' 3.11... ugh.

MD-2389 · Post by **MD-2389** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 12:13 am

TechPro wrote:Hmmm... I think there is always something one can learn from others.

Among the systems I have, one of them is an old system running Win98 SE (not strong enough for XP) and it's been running on the same installation of Win98 SE for about 6 years without a single re-build. If almost never gets a BSOD and almost all the programs on it run just fine (I say almost because not everyone makes a well behaved program).

You usually couldn't last more than 6 months ??? You may need to learn some practical "maintenance" habits.

You might want to look up windows rot.

Try installing and uninstalling apps and see how much windows slows down. Its not the fact that it was unstable after six months, its the fact that it slowed down to the point that it was either deal with a slow system or re-install.

New D3 Patches

New D3 Patches

Re:

Re:

Re:

Re:

Re:

Re:

Re:

Re:

Re:

Re:

Re:

Re:

Re:

Re: